what i do is flow or roll off the lip (instead of poping off for a regular three) then look over your sholder down at your rear tire.let your arms relax more then, and kinda angle your body between a 360 position and a backflip position as you go off the lip.you wanna be looking down like you wanna do a corkspin. then keep your head turned...takes practice.I learned them on a softer landing...its way more forgiving.hope that helps. Good Luck man!