mock up of thte 2011 demo 8 for those who are interested.
looks to be a 'ok' bike
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- May 14, 2010 at 14:21May 14, 2010
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MA-Hardtail
(May 16, 2010 at 12:23)
Bran i highly doubt a college boy has a better idea of downhill bikes than the people that study them/build them for a living.
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no designer is born, but shaped by the problems they see.what the good designers do is not to settle for the best compromise already on the market, but go out and make their to how they think it should be done.
i am not a designer by any means, but i am on the same road that others are on who see problems with the current offerings and want to change it.
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Guys keep it civil..
Bran, what are you trying to say about the Specialized Demo? Or are you simply telling us how they work?
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''the millyard bike is actually very fast for the amount of travel it has, its only a 125mm travel frame, but rides and performs like a 8inch travel bike while pedalling like a 125mm bike.
if that is not what we need more of i don't know what we need o get faster.''
Bran, with the Millyard, it was only ever a prototype. My friend raced one for 2 years, getting crap results. The bike broke for one race, he borrowed another bike and was much faster. He is now sponsored by Norco and rides much faster on the Norco, regretting ever riding the Millyard.
Bran, what are you trying to say about the Specialized Demo? Or are you simply telling us how they work?
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''the millyard bike is actually very fast for the amount of travel it has, its only a 125mm travel frame, but rides and performs like a 8inch travel bike while pedalling like a 125mm bike.
if that is not what we need more of i don't know what we need o get faster.''
Bran, with the Millyard, it was only ever a prototype. My friend raced one for 2 years, getting crap results. The bike broke for one race, he borrowed another bike and was much faster. He is now sponsored by Norco and rides much faster on the Norco, regretting ever riding the Millyard.
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''im explaining why they are not any where near as good as they could be, and are seriously under performing.''
How could it be improved then? What are they missing out on?
''as for the millyard, i was going on the little information i could get hold of, its a hard bike to judge performance on as the shock it has is nothing like any thing else.''
The Millyard bike was just a prototype. Tried and tested, no longer on the race circuit.
How could it be improved then? What are they missing out on?
''as for the millyard, i was going on the little information i could get hold of, its a hard bike to judge performance on as the shock it has is nothing like any thing else.''
The Millyard bike was just a prototype. Tried and tested, no longer on the race circuit.
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ratio of weight on the bike makes it more off balance, or if they did really try to balance it out then the multiple and unneeded chain stays would be very weak.
having so many pivot points is never that good an idea especially when all of them get a heavy load.
and finally the axle path does not led itself well to holding speed, rough sections and any thing else where the rear suspensionk really has to work to keep grip.
it is possible to tell what a bike will ride like (taking weight out of perspective as harder to tell) just by looking at it, and some some cases a data sheet. but the problem with the millyard is the shock, i know hows its suppose to work, but just don't know how it handles on a standard 8" travel bike, let alone being able to transfer that over to a 125mm travel bike with unsuspended gearbox.
having so many pivot points is never that good an idea especially when all of them get a heavy load.
and finally the axle path does not led itself well to holding speed, rough sections and any thing else where the rear suspensionk really has to work to keep grip.
it is possible to tell what a bike will ride like (taking weight out of perspective as harder to tell) just by looking at it, and some some cases a data sheet. but the problem with the millyard is the shock, i know hows its suppose to work, but just don't know how it handles on a standard 8" travel bike, let alone being able to transfer that over to a 125mm travel bike with unsuspended gearbox.
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i know, but its the changes they have made, it should be quite a bit lighter as well, (imo still not rearward enough)
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yeah pre 2007 demos were stupid heavy, rode like a turd, and people still cracked them.....
im not sold on the post 2007 ones yet, and still not convinced by this 2011 proto
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yeah im not a huge fan of how everyone now has one cause of sam hill and co. im not sure how it would ride, i guess much like many others out there...
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the thing with the demo is that if you take of the pointless seat stay and convert it to single piviot, with the same wheel path you end up with the ironhorse yakuza thingy
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i think the whole idea behind the horst link is either cause they own it so they mayaswell use it and claim its the best, or it really works... cant be that wrong with it being raced in world cups, but making it single pivot would change it quite a bit...
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its very easy to changed it to a single piviot and keep same geo/ratios/wheel path
it would be better if they made a 200mm sx trail
it would be better if they made a 200mm sx trail
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the link it has is stiffer than ur average single pivot, and the shock would have to be higher up if it was single pivot. That would shurley defeat the point of the sx-trail, maybe mod the new big hit a bit?
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humm, i dunno, imo they should redesign their dh bike from ground up. would come out better as would be a completely different animal comp aired to the converted huck bike that a demo is.
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i guess, theres a lot of money involved in redesigning there bike considering how popular it is!
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not really with the amount of data spesh has to hand, think of how many bikes have been made on a shoe string budget that are good bikes, for example, the millyard bike probably had less then a 10th of the budget spesh has to hand and it comes out a revolutionary bike.
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revolutionary, not fast. specialized bikes win races. the guys that made the bike know a lot more than you do. stop complaining.
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the millyard bike is actually very fast for the amount of travel it has, its only a 125mm travel frame, but rides and performs like a 8inch travel bike while pedalling like a 125mm bike.
if that is not what we need more of i don't know what we need o get faster.
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why do you feel the need to argue about these things when you aren't going to change anything? nobody's making you ride specialized.
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why do you feel the need to critisise what is obviously way bellow your caliber? we have opinions, we can share them when and were we like, even if were clueless...
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tbh its the rider not the bike to a cirten extent if sam hill had my bike (that yes is not as good as the new demo) he would still beat me in a race if i had his bike
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thats very true, and mikey-vee, im not contradicting myself i was just sujesting that if u think we are clueless then what does it mean to you? if it anoys u so much, u should have ignored this convo in the first place, seing as you are obviously 'superior'
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no I'm telling you they built a bike how they think it should be done, but there are more bikes out there built by people who think it should done such-n-such way. yet none of them are right yet otherwise we would all be on that bike.
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there will never be one bike for everyone, personally i don't get on with a forward wheel path, where as Sam hill may do.
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thats the thing tho each suspesion/linkage system works differently and have their own pros and cons there will never be a world best linkige system just a personal best cus everyone rides different to each other!
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i know people ride differently, what would be good if a company started a trend to having two top dh bikes, one with a forward and one with a rearward wheel path, starting to specialize bikes like that for riding styles is one thing that will help. (obviously only large company's can afford to do two bikes parallel really)
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there are so many people who don't know what's best for them and just buy because of the price and going on what others like. the % of people who actually pay attention to what suits them best is disappointingly low, like there is people out there who spend the money and just leave the suspension how it came from the shop, whether too stiff or soft springs, too slow rebound, too little or to much compression. that really bugs me
(i don't expect them to know the ins and outs of it, just to have a rough idea how to make it work for them)
(i don't expect them to know the ins and outs of it, just to have a rough idea how to make it work for them)
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I dont get why it bugs you,do you actualy ride or just tell everyone else how there bike should be set up?You need to get out more...
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im am actually starting to let it slide more, still find it really annoying.
and yeah i do ride quite a bit, starting to ride more and more on my own sessioning parts of trails focusing on specific skills.
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To be honest you would hardly notice any difference in suspension linkages, stop bitching about the demo, in the end a bike is a bike. I'm pretty sure that all the guys in Specialised's research and development know alot more about making bike than you do, as they have been making bikes for many many years, and they will make lots of prototypes of bikes until they achive what they want. Have you ever heard the phrase "A bad workman blames his tools" this is very relevant.
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i dont mean suspension linkages overall, i mean the different vriations in linkages, sure they are different on paper but in real life? Maestro, VPP and DW link are all the same thing, and if you rode them all there really owuldnt be any difference, i rode a vpp bike then went to maestro and it feels exactly the same, i have ridden single pivot bikes which feel the same as link activated single pivots. my point is stop bitching, no one is forcing you to ride a demo, and if they are really that bad then why are they one of the most popular downhill/freeride bikes in the world?
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they are the most popular dh bike because they have the biggest marketing budget! plus sam hill's endorsement convinces a lot of people. but he's just paid to ride them.
the problem i have is so many people out there are just so gullible, its drives me up the wall!
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demos were already very popular before Sam Hill joined Specialised, if they didnt like the bike and found that it is as poor as you are suggesting then no one would buy them. The new specialised has been designed with direct input from Sam Hill and Brendan Fairclough, and i think they know what a good bike should ride like. i went to Whistler last summer and about 80% of people were riding Demos, as i said before if they were that bad then they wouldnt be riding them, because they wouldve told other popel they were bad.
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doesn't change fact that price of even used demo's went up straight after Sam signed to them.
most don't know better, nor want to know better as they follow what marketing has been telling them for years, spesh are not going to drop this configuration of fsr because they have so many years of marketing behind it, even though they would be changing to a better design they cant because they limited them selves with marketing, other wise they would be contradicting them selves.
its simple business sense why they don't want to do a proper overhaul of a design that has some inherent problems that can not be removed without starting again.