Thanks, they're the havoc yes, in the 750 uncut width. the flats are from twenty6, they are a prerunner that our shop got from the company. I've got red x.o shifters in boxes in the garage, but I am waiting to put them on until i get my new wheels, and cassette/chain/rings... I have done away with the pedals, and they are on the ht, I have ordered some of the xtr trail pedals, and I will likely order another pair of these flats in red ano.