no these are mid level frames as far as weight. you want a light race bike a Devinci Wilson, an Intense Socom, or a Trek Session 88. those bikes all are light frames and i haven't seen a picture of even one broken one.
yea i have seen so many of these konas broken i just laugh wen i c a nother one get a demo and ul never have a problem and if u do u got lifetime warrenty so algud
if kona are that bad why have alot of pros got em and why they still here! well all kinda frames snap from apollo to santacruz ,, unlucky i guess,, i personlay dont like konas tho
this argument has been going on for ages on this forum ... the fact is that there are 1000's of konas out there, probly way more then any other biker brand , so your going to see more broken konas then many other brands . i expect the percentages of broken frames is the same across most brands but cos there is so many konas you hear of or see more.
i also think a lot is to do with rider skill aswell. hang up big time on any bike and this will happen, i promise you. intense frames snap alot aswell, but you dont see people bitching on at intense?
theres a number of logical factors that go into breaking of frames. Its not kona or specialized or norco,they dont design bikes to break in there sugested limits even though there is a rare defect in a frame,but thats why theres waranty.
The question remains, why the kona hate? they eat the dh, are infinatly customisable to suit basically every rider, they are basically bombproof (unless youy get a dodgy one, as pictured), they have a proven suspension platform, they are inexpensive, they luck epicly lush when built right (check my albums, im not trying to brag ), and they pedal like stink! not to mention rail... So why all the kona hate? is it just that the haters have tried dodgy or unsuitably specced bikes?
i hate kona coz ive seen plenty of these frames snap at the same piont , the weak spot , and guess what, its not on a weld, so its a bad frame design , plus all the pros have a square bottem tube wich has no kink in it , in other words they are totally different. i personelly hate them , but thats my chose , i no alot of downhillers are quicker then me on a kona then me on my ironhorse but i don't give a shit .
take a look around then buddie,because ive seen TONS of snaped specialez.most of witch are ht,but not only the ht,the infamous demo aswell.ive seen them bent and snaped.remeber people kona is the official suplier of whsitler,thats how many konas are out there,it would only mkae scense to see some broken.
hmmm thts funny cummin from someone who rides a kona and u get me 50 pics of snapped specilized then we can call it even coz i could easily get u 100 pics of snapped konas
steven, have you ever actually ridden a kona? and i dont mean had a go on someone elses for a few runs or whatever, i mean: have you ever actually taken it home, cleaned it, called it your own, taken it out riding different trails every day, upgraded it to suit your style, ridden it some more and generally lived with it for long enough to know what its like? im guessing no. mine hasnt snapped, and id keep it over any other bike gladly (ive had the chance to swap for giant glory's, old style v10's, intenses, etc etc. and ive still got the kona, cant be that bad then?).
im guesing u own a kona aswell n yes i had a go on a stab for 3 hours n y would a take a kona home lol the only reson i would take it home is to put the headtube and the frame in the bin coz it would have snapped it and u havent snapped it yet i was gonna say email me when u snap it but a cant i wont be in tomorro to read ur email
n y are u blabbing on about takin it home makin it suit u and lived for it for a long time lol i dont want to marry a bike m8 well not a kona anyway i would be divorced in a hour
i have a 2006 stab supreme thats lasted 2 seasons without even needing new bearings, and i might also point out that one of those 2 seasons was in the abusive hands of the Kona team...
och, theres no point me even arguing. theres alot more arrogant morons in this world than there are people who actually think before they speak, so i can see im quite heavily outnumbered. I will ride my bike, and you can go somewhere else and ride yours, me and my kona will be looking down on you from the top of the podium in a few short years im sure...
arrogant morons aye a bet they ride konas aswell and u mite be lookin down from the podium and ur kona will be lookin down from heaven with a very sore head
my mate rick (slick20) has snapped an intense m3 and steave peats 224, are they shit bikes? sorry but i own a stab world cup, i ride it every day and i love it, hold your oppinion as much as you like, but im not going to agree.
im tempted just to say 'f*ck you', but (kona argument aside) you seem a pretty decent guy, so im just gonna stop replying now cz its pissing me off. No hard feelings to anyone i love my bike.
LMAO,if stevie makes one more coment we relay need to make a forum or something for this,people who dont have kona dont like kona,people that do have konas love them,as far as i can be conserned kona has proven itself more then any other bike companie in basicly the biggest freeirde competiton there is rtie now(crankworx).People should have more respect for kona tho.they are the main reason theres movies like NWD and there a huge part in sponsoring the industry,they do ALOT more for the sport then specialed or santacruz.they sponsor alot of bike parks for you guys to ride with specialied bikes or whatever you have to ride.So show some respect for what they do for everyone,there not peices of shit,they have a killer team and do alot for the sport.
m8 ur fukin candian tht says it all mr whistler u can love konas all u want i just hate them and they r utter shit to be honest i no alot of ppl tht have had konas and swithed to specilized or santa cruz and have never went bak and the reason kona do alot for the sport is because they r tryin to make a comebak but they wont make a comebak untill there frames stop snapping
i think you both have very good pionts , for starters , i do admit they do alot for the sport , i regularly go to glentress freeride park , that is sponsored by kona. but kona are crap bikes, they are nothing special , they mierley set the genaral and lower standard of mtb. thats my veiw anyway , oh and plus the pros ride tottaly different frames , so you cannot compare the standard konas to the pro's.
yh, you do have a point. i have fabien barels old bike, my mate has a stinky, the stinky kinda sucks pretty bad =\ feels like its flexing underneith you aswell =\ but my stab feels out of this world crazy nice, really strong and stiff, a compleatly different bike basically. ive never ridden a standard stab supreme tho so i dno bout the flagship moddels
there team does not have custom bikes,none of the bikes in crnakworx they used are any different then any cowan ds except the paint jobs,the reason for there bike reort sponsoring is not to make a combeabck,but rather use it to uadvertise and rent bikes because they have the money to do that,because they sell more bikes then most companies if not all,and if the dh bikes from kona are differnet for the team then thats cool,but i dont even think they are.
Fabien Barel rode a stock Stab, just throwin it out there, theres nothing wrong with Kona, otherwise their bikes would not be sold and wouldn't keep on getting made, its pretty much preference, Kona has had bad years in the past with bikes, but what bike company hasnt?
example : lets say of 100 ppl 60 of them are blue 20 red 20 orange , if 10 percent of each of these categorys brake their legs , there will be more blue ppl with broken legs then red or orange , but thats not to say blue ppls legs are weak THERE IS JUST MORE OF THEM
i think its probably best riding a kona thats been covered with shiny new bits, as the stock builds are pretty poorly spec'd. the people who dis kona, hav probably just ridden their mates stock stinky with its flimsy cranks and long stem/short bar combo. 06 was a good year (as it was for most big companies actually, marzocchi etc)
nope like i said a few comments up i was on my m8s stab supreme totally custom fox 40 dialblous cranks dh5 ti spring and demmax on it and he got it tuned by mojo and it fuking sucked and its the frames tht suk no the parts
well, to be fair, you ride a chucker, so ur used to riding a steep head angle, therefor the slack angles would feel weird, so thats a personal preference really isnt it (i love slack angles). secondly, if by stiff, you mean laterally stiff, then if you hadnt guessed it, thats actually a good thing! if by stiff you mean that the suspention was stiff, then thats to do with how your mate had his shock set up, not the frame itself: i run a stock dhx 5, and mine sits perfectly 35% into its travel, tracks the ground like nobody's business, eats small bumps AND huge hits for breakfast, ur mate probably had the pro-pedal jacked right up for getting about on, or maybe just personal preference, but as i say: what youve just said is all PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
i have been on hunnnnnndredsssss of full sussers ironhorse to oranges and the and been on 2 stabs and a stinky all of them fully custom and they have all felt horrible and i dont no how to explane it but stiff as in stiff turning and just overall stiff all the other full suses ive been on u can trow them into the corners with eze and they are stable as hell but the konas ive been on have been all over the place and over the berm insted of round them
stiff turning is due to slack angles, the stab has an increadably slack head angle, slacker than alot of other bikes (ironhorse etc). stinky's arent great unless built perfectly i have to admit, but i still dont see how the stab is as bad as your making it out to be. mine rails corners and is stable as hell, and probably the most well balanced bike ive ridden. i launch it into corners and it sticks like glue, then breaks free exactly when you want it to. im guessing its just a personal preference thing, as i say, your used to riding tight geometry jump bikes.
p-2rider: dont feed the trolls, he's only attention seeking, he neg propped all my comments and pos propped all his own. jst ignore him, he's being an arrogant dick and arguing with him will only fuel his stupidity. your right and he is wrong, jst let urself know that and dont reply to any of his comments. ever.
alrite guys easy , you are thousands of miles apart , in time you will relize nothings goin to happen, anyway , this debate is endless , i personally hate some of them , and it looks like there unreliable these days, my mates got an older 2006 stab he rides fort and inners and it really handles good, but thats all i no.
1 Your american
2 Your swearing is pathetic
3 And if you saw either of us you'd run a mile
4 Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics even if you win your still a retard
Hahahahahaha wow 1. get over it 2. stevie your a tard. not even for the point you are trying to prove. but wow learn to spell and make sense. 3. reread #4 on hummertms post. Why the f*ck would you agree to that?
do you no how good of a point you just made,id say im fukign tired of goofs that argue about spelling on computers,theres a number oif reason the writing isint perfect,mainly u cabnt keep track of every key you hit. why the fuck would someone waiste time making sure a piknbike coment was perfect.
this is actually increadably funny how much of a pathetic little bitch stevie22 is for all the pointless shit he's posted here just to try and get reactions out of people, its also funny that people havnt yet realised that he is a prime example of a troll and should be banned from the site...
Guys calm down, I have owned konas, have a trail one and use other bikes to so im not going to state my opinion, but bunkey, stevie is a good friend of mine in real lfe and I would hate you opinion of him on here to affect your general opinion, he is a good mate, seriously, he hates konas (maybe a bit tooo much lolk) and you love them ( you own a lovely one so why wouldnt you!) so lets just accept that some people hate bike companys taht other people like and we all have to live with that!
i agree yeh, im just referring more to the things like 'p-2 rider just shut up u fat american shit seriously americans man hahahaha' '1.your canadian 2.your canadian 3.your canadian 4.go die' 'hummertm why dont u do us all a favour and go under the wheels of a hummer why its moving' etc etc... all the really pointless comments that are doing nothing but agrovate the general community, its not as though anything anybody is typing is actually relevent and/or helpful to the original oppinions expressed (which was a perfectly justified 'why dont people like kona's?'). im just amazed that this level of blatant immaturity has continued for this length of time; but I honestly dont doubt for one second that somebody *cough* stevie22 *cough* is going to reply with a smart arsed, attention seeking comment...
The people who own konas seem to protect them in a very bias way I must admit, the little kids you get who are called like "kona_roxx123" and stuff are the worst lol/
this argument is quite amusing, but the fact of the matter is, some ppl like kona and some ppl dont. everyone is entitled to their own opinion about something. if some gives a reason why they dont like kona, why the hell are you trying to argue with them, its their opinion. hey, personally i dont like kona, i never really have, I THINK that they are a little over-rated. my reasoning, i have seen way too many broken kona bike that any other bike. now when it comes to kona's paintjobs, yea, i like them. I ride a CAnnondale Gemini DH, whats cannondales nickname?, yea Crack-and-fail, but i love my bike and i myself havent seen many broke c-dales. thats just me, the next person that reads this may have seen hundreds, but i dont care, its my opinion now if anyone thinks that they are going to change my mind about kona then good luck. Kona haters, Kona Lovers, were all the same. we ride bikes thats all that matters. now get over it and go ride.
ok i can tell you for a fact that if you went through school you would know that canada is one of the most liked by other places..^^^^ dude right on... and i know alot of people that ride kona's and the kids love them and havn't had any problems with them.. there is a limit to what any f*cking bike can do.. but some people go over the limit.. i wil send you'se pictures of snaped glorys, oranges, demos, and many more
well i dont know the people tht like canada a just know tht am no 1 of them lol and it clearly says in the kona warranty "dont not ride this frame on FR DH XC 4x AM DJ or any kind of bike riding that will result in the frame snapping"
if you hate canada so much get of are website your no dought the BIGGEST looser on the site,regardless other then yourself no one has any respect for you on this site now,and that is realy all that matters you can rite another 500 coments and act like people think your rite...... playing yourself for a fool steve
the 09 are much tronger havent seen any snap ?? theyve only been out for a month you muppet what you expect and actaully they aint theyre made from cheaper material
no one can no if there stronger apart from the guys who have tested it. 06 was probs the best year for kona, 07 like konakid sed was a different story, but 09 looks like fressh designs so we will have to wait and see.
i dnt ride kona but i no they are certinaly not shit because look at the lacondeguy brother fabien barrel paul basogita ???? they dnt just ride for kona cause there good... well u can ride ur giant regin ^^ and it can show a crap performance but wen u see a stab come shooting past u , u will realise..
are you retarded kjmkjm reign is freeride do everything you can race it if its not a hard core dh race but other wise its a great bike its great for a young dh racer you could never win with a reign agaist people with stabs you might if your a good rider and the other is a bad rider but other wise if there is a good racer on the stab you have no chance
u cant say ir freeride all mountain! like the dawlg a allmountain bike and at end of day take it freeride ! its not right! u iether have dh freeride bike or all mountain not both!
ok man we'll put any kona rider on a reign and a ok rider.. don't know who but some one.. on a stab .. most likly the guy on the stabs going to win becouse it can take the trail much better the a little reign
ive got the same kona.. you all this you know everything and are pure fashion victims so judge the bike before u even ride one.. need to get a grip of your selves, mine hasnt broken in the past 11 month at all and ive raced it all over the country.. if there so bad then why didnt barels snap when he road a kona?
only reason kona's break is because the riders ride them how they are meant. Only reason, demo's and others don't break as much is because its hard to break a bike when you don't ride it how its suppose to be.
k u guys are all idiots. its obviously a photoshop considering tha fact that whether or not its a kona, its not gunna break in the middle of the top tube. its gunna crack at a weld. and the fact taht anyone looks at that ans says... wow cool REAL picture... makes me think that the whole world has turned into a bunch of fools... grow some brains guys
have you ever owened one though? i was like most of you lot on here at first( hated kona) now i think they are great! i have a cutsom built stinky primo and its proper nice!
i've had 6 konas in my life, and quess what, the only one that broke was a fire mountain i dropped from 6+ feet nosedive. All my other kona's have been superb. i dont care if i get neg props, but everyone knows it, konas are actually really nice, but everybody just follows the first one who ever hinted that konas were shit, and as no'one likes to stand out, everyone follows the "leader" so stfu
ease up, just saying that they do break more then they should. nobody is following the "leader" im just putting out the point that my freinds chainstays snapped doing something that they shouldnt of f*cking broke on, kona replaced the rear triangle for free and everything, but they should not of broke in the first place. yes they are really nice bikes for hucking and dh, but they shouldn't break that easy. i would consider riding a kona if i was into dh and shit, but im into street and dj's now. I'v got nothing against kona except for they do break too often
SpikeX spike my real name lol anyway my mate snapped the rear chainstay on a cowan ds while doing a wheely he pulled the brake and it just went crunch and snapped lol
i manage a bike store in new zealand, and we import kona to new zealand. in all my years of running a store and selling kona (3 1/2 years) and riding kona myself, i have only come across a handfull of broken konas. think about how many actually get sold world wide against how many actually break, probably f*ck all. its gonna happen with any bike company if the bike has been over abused. yeah sure enough you wouldnt expect it out of a Stab but who knows what this guy has done on this bike previously. shit happens. its not just kona. konas are all rite aye, im a freerider and i huck my meat, im also a dirtjumper and a street rider and my bikes perform well for me. i break myself more than i break my konas. food for thought.
i know thats what i ment that kind of frame snaps in the same spot because every snapped kona stab i saw was snapped in roughly the same area and i know its not just them because my friends norco kompressor broke at the headtube lol
Which would also include my 1999 Kona Stab Dee-Lux, my 2001 Kona Stab Primo and my brothers 2001 Stab Primo?? Of the four 1999 Kona stab dee-lux's that Greg Minnaar Racing(our local lbs) sold in 1999, I know that 3 are still running, im not sure about the forth though but it may very easily still be going. So much of all of them snapping ey, go find another bike company that can say that 3 out of a random four bikes are still going 10 years later and then come argue your point.
uaitela: Your command of the English language is astounding, I think my four year old brother can make a better sentence than that. bunkey0207That and why is there only half a handlebar? Look at how the handlebars seem to be floating above the ground rather than sitting in the gravel. Theirs other small things but those are the big ones that stood out for me.
yeah man but dude i wish i had a shore.. but yeah there is some thing about the other konas, but i havn't seen any of the new ones snapped which is good right ?