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flag angushall19
Posted: Jan 31, 2017 at 10:55 Quote
I am currently attempting to get an all mountain bike. Something that will work for downhill, park, jumping, trail, etc. Then I came across the thought of a dirt jumper with a rear derailleur hanger. Many of you probably think I am mad, but I learned all of my skills on hardtail and a lot of small Bmx bikes too. Regardless I would like to hear opinions and possible frames. One of the frames I originally saw was the Santa Cruz jackal. The only problem is there are not Santa Cruz dealers in my area and Santa Cruz does not sell online. If you know of any websites that do sell the Jackal new could you also tell me that?
Thanks, I hope for your response.
flag jmartinbiking
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Posted: Jan 31, 2017 at 11:27 Quote
i am pretty sure that they do not sell online at all
your best bet is used or travelling a bit to pick up a frame from a shop
flag Metro-Gnome
Posted: Jan 31, 2017 at 11:38 Quote
It's not commonly done, but you can actually put a removable washer/hanger on any bike with horizontal dropouts. DMR makes one, as well as wheels manufacturing. I used one on a P3 that I had snapped the original removable hanger on. It worked just as well as the oem one did.
flag angushall19
Posted: Jan 31, 2017 at 11:38 Quote
Ok, just wondering, because there are many online dealers.
flag Gregnthis
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 5:25 Quote
I am currently doing the same thing and bought a charge blender. It's got the shape of a dirt jumper with a rear hanger.
flag cmc4130
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 7:44 Quote
angushall19 wrote:
I am currently attempting to get an all mountain bike. Something that will work for downhill, park, jumping, trail, etc. Then I came across the thought of a dirt jumper with a rear derailleur hanger. Many of you probably think I am mad, but I learned all of my skills on hardtail and a lot of small Bmx bikes too. Regardless I would like to hear opinions and possible frames. One of the frames I originally saw was the Santa Cruz jackal. The only problem is there are not Santa Cruz dealers in my area and Santa Cruz does not sell online. If you know of any websites that do sell the Jackal new could you also tell me that?
Thanks, I hope for your response.

Check out this thread:

Sexiest 4x bike/frame out there
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=93197

One of the main things with attempting a "do it all" bike is how low you feel like you need the seat for jumping, versus how high do you need it for cranking miles of trail.

Some people can manage this difference with a quick release seat post clamp or dropper post. Others feel like they need two bikes....



DJ / All Around Mountain Bike
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=158462&pagenum=1

DJ frame capable of trail/xc riding
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=121765

Looking for a Trials/Trails Bike
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=157516

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flag angushall19
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 11:13 Quote
cmc4130 wrote:
angushall19 wrote:
I am currently attempting to get an all mountain bike. Something that will work for downhill, park, jumping, trail, etc. Then I came across the thought of a dirt jumper with a rear derailleur hanger. Many of you probably think I am mad, but I learned all of my skills on hardtail and a lot of small Bmx bikes too. Regardless I would like to hear opinions and possible frames. One of the frames I originally saw was the Santa Cruz jackal. The only problem is there are not Santa Cruz dealers in my area and Santa Cruz does not sell online. If you know of any websites that do sell the Jackal new could you also tell me that?
Thanks, I hope for your response.

Check out this thread:

Sexiest 4x bike/frame out there
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=93197

One of the main things with attempting a "do it all" bike is how low you feel like you need the seat for jumping, versus how high do you need it for cranking miles of trail.

Some people can manage this difference with a quick release seat post clamp or dropper post. Others feel like they need two bikes....



DJ / All Around Mountain Bike
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=158462&pagenum=1

DJ frame capable of trail/xc riding
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=121765

Looking for a Trials/Trails Bike
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=157516

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Now that I think of it I could do more uphill with a dropper post on it.
flag cmc4130
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 11:19 Quote
Read this thread also:

The Perfect Bike?
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=154796&pagenum=1

I crank a Transition Double with 1 X 9 gearing around regular xc trails (with some features), as well as jump.

Although, I have to admit, being 6'1" with long legs, I need the post very high if I'm going to try to keep up with fast guys on true All Mountain bikes. So, if you're tall, I'm gonna have to say that a DJ or slopestyle frame is not a true substitute for All Mountain. But, then again, they handle on jumps and street/park a lot better than a true All Mountain frame, so there's a trade-off/decision.


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flag angushall19
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 11:21 Quote
Those are sweet bikes! How many jumpers do you have?
flag cmc4130
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 11:36 Quote
angushall19 wrote:
Those are sweet bikes! How many jumpers do you have?

A few too many. Got the Killswitch for sale. Maybe even the Double.

This is the video clip that got me psyched on the Double, by the way:

https://www.pinkbike.com/video/146780/
flag angushall19
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 13:56 Quote
Could you check out the jackal and share your thoughts of it.
flag cmc4130
Posted: Feb 1, 2017 at 17:23 Quote
angushall19 wrote:
Could you check out the jackal and share your thoughts of it.


The Jackal is a very Dirt Jump specific geometry. 68.7 head angle, low standover, minimal (0.25") bb drop.
http://www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/jackal

You could put gears on it, but it would be a Dirt Jumper With Gears, not a sort of cross-over All-Mountain+Jump+Park+Everything type of bike (which it's debatable if that's even possible, depending on a person's preferences, to have a "do everything" bike).

Jackal
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NS Surge Evo. With this bike, notice how the fork has more travel, the seat tube is taller (and top tube less slanted). Some people would call this an All-Mountain/Freeride hardtail that you can jump.
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flag angushall19
Posted: Feb 2, 2017 at 6:02 Quote
Do you think I should go hardtail or full?
flag angushall19
Posted: Feb 2, 2017 at 6:17 Quote
I wish Santa Cruz would release this:Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TnqrgtZStdY/VTHOHh1LNSI/AAAAAAAAE3c/Ql9L7f6P1tQ/s1600/sea-otter-prototype-bikes-03.jpgIt was Logan Peats custom.
flag cmc4130
Posted: Feb 2, 2017 at 8:35 Quote
angushall19 wrote:
Do you think I should go hardtail or full?

It totally depends on the trails, spots you ride. I can't say without being there.


Check this out.... Transition Double, sized Small. They were like $1500 frame & rear shock, and this one NEW is $575.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-2011-Small-Transition-Double-Frame-set-/292008303171?hash=item43fd0d1a43:g:QM0AAOSw2xRYgp7O
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