Reality Redesigned Episode 6: Cane Creek

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lenmerderdenfer (Jan 30, 2012 at 1:27)

The "headset solution" for the "detangler" is surprisingly similar to what I said here several months ago.

mikelevy.pinkbike.com/blog/Straitlines-Prototype-Hydraulic-Gyro-Interbike-2011.html

" lenmerderdenfer (Sep 16, 2011 at 6:26)
Mabye, You could make a spline interface between the hydra's lower extremity and the upper side of the upper headset bearing race. What do you think?"

Did Cane Creek come up with this idea on their own or did this idea come from other sources (i.e.) someone else or... maybe me? If so could I have a job Cane Creek?

epavichthesavage (Jan 30, 2012 at 2:14)

This , kids , is why you don't put genius things on the internet
Somebody....somewhere is going to use it as "inspiration"
And lenmerderdenfer .....lets not beat around the bush, it was most likely you :/

Terrafire (Jan 30, 2012 at 7:28)

It was quite honestly the obvious solution. If you actually wanted to jump on the idea and invest your own money at making a viable solution before Cane Creek could, you should have. But also considering Straitline went with someone who has the available capacity to produce what they need, to the spec they need it, within the timeframe, they did what worked for them. Not to mention, you would have a very difficult time getting your hands on the specs for the Gyro itself.

lenmerderdenfer (Jan 30, 2012 at 8:00)

@ Terrafire, I'm just a poor boy with ideas, dude! Just saying that's all.

lenmerderdenfer (Jan 30, 2012 at 12:31)

# Terrafire, If the solution was so obvious, then why is that Straitline failed to design and make it, letting others drill holes in their headtubes voiding warrantees, while even now we only have a prototype from Cane Creek? On a secondary note, my idea is void of an ungodly tab like the Cane Creek version. My idea has the spline incorporated in the body of the headset cup / race unit.

static-schock (Jan 30, 2012 at 13:26)

@0:49 ''...and sometimes those ideas are brought to us...'' definitely has a different connotation when you read the comments first

Terrafire (Jan 30, 2012 at 13:58)

@lenmerderdenfer The tab is probably the better way to go in a sense that it will be more resistant to the torque that the gyro will apply to the system while braking and simultaneously turning. Also: It is very costly to broach or machine splines into anything. It isn't that Straitline didn't make it earlier, it's that the market was so small that it wasn't economically feasible. Now that they have their own technology that requires it, they contracted/tasked/worked with Cane Creek to design a solution to their problem.

mazze (Jan 30, 2012 at 16:58)

Sorry to disappoint you guys, but truth is that this little thing has been invented and designed fully functional several years ago in Freiburg, Germany by a little company named Trickstuff. You can find the product right here: trickstuff.de/de/products/trixer-dirtcap_KL.php
Cam McCaul actually rode it himself and talked about how awsome it was in one of his earlier videos..
watch www.pinkbike.com/video/108578 !
Kind of uncool to just forget things like this while promoting the so brilliant new technology of the new sponsor, when he waves the paycheck.. but I guess, this is how it works..

kyle-white FL (Jan 30, 2012 at 18:50)

Has this cought on yet? being an engineering student i would be amazed by anyone who can keep up with the course load and do this contest. Engineering is gnarly

Terrafire (Jan 30, 2012 at 19:30)

The last semester course load at my school, and a few others, has time for a final project. It actually works out amazingly well, and allows for the school to cover some of my costs.

kyle-white FL (Jan 30, 2012 at 21:04)

thats super rad. My projects quarter is at a whole different time.

carter-hill (Jan 30, 2012 at 23:33)

the Cane Creek engineer at the beginning of the video seems like he has a massive stick in his ass and has a wife that beats him. Lo siento, but that's what i noticed

Husky360 (Jan 31, 2012 at 14:08)

@ mazze
"Sorry to disappoint you guys, but truth is that this little thing has been invented and designed fully functional several years ago in Freiburg, Germany by a little company named Trickstuff"

Yeah, its pretty sad they keep going on about comming up with a new solution, when they just copied someone else, or just re-configured it.

lenmerderdenfer (Jan 31, 2012 at 14:59)

@Terrafire, "... the market was (sic.) so small...". But they made the gyro for a small market too with nothing to mount it to. ??? Splined interface is the future!

Protour (Jan 31, 2012 at 18:07)

I'm gonna make this easy, listen up! Heres what we need:

#1. A 5 or 6 (or more) speed internal rear through axle hub designed for DH. The hanger can be used to mount a chain remainder instead of an exposed derailleur. If someone wouldmake this reliable, relatively light weight, and with a wide gear range they would sell.

#2. A seatpost seat dropper with a cam in it to adjust the angle of the seat as it went down. Level when fully extended and nose tilted up when dropped, DH style. And how about making it without any cables, with a battery remote?

Terrafire (Jan 31, 2012 at 19:38)

@protour planetary gears are heavy, and there isn't a reliable, light way around it. There are some solutions, but they are hardly cheap. It's simply cheaper to run a derailleur.

epavichthesavage (Feb 1, 2012 at 3:31)

All you people make me feel rather stupid
I just ride my bike and call it "the blue beast" ..and beyond that I'm pretty much clueless to geometries and what not

It's good to know we've got a bunch of aspiring engineers on PB pushing new bike tech

thebrakesdontwork (Jan 30, 2012 at 7:29)

Just out of interest but what is the relevance of the food price break down at the end of each esp?? Am I missing something??

Terrafire (Jan 30, 2012 at 9:40)

The cost of bringing a prototype/item into production.

scottmtb88 (Feb 2, 2012 at 18:26)

Did anyone else find it funny that when repeatedely describing that you had to be able to sell something in order to justify making it they said it in such a way that suggested they were making a new revelation?

BRRider (Jan 30, 2012 at 16:24)

Kinda sucks that it won't work on most modern dj/street frames, or even Mike's P.3 (Most dj/street frames these days are rocking a campy style integrated headset). Loosing a good chunk of their market right there.

brad79 (Jan 30, 2012 at 15:10)

My question is this: Couldn't the host have at least combed his hair before shooting this vid???

rbreish (Jan 30, 2012 at 22:56)

This series is really boring. The commentator has little to no enthusiasm and it's not done very well.

rbreish (Jan 30, 2012 at 22:59)

K maybe enthusiasm wasn't fhe right word but it's just not interesting enough. Wish the commentator was more involved instead of saying yea yes yup aha yea.

morpheous (Feb 23, 2012 at 1:05)

KTM have this hydraulic "gyro" headset on their Freestyle Electric Street Moto. (since 2008/9) when the prototype was introduced.

davehayz93 (Jan 30, 2012 at 8:57)

Be hardcore... And run it brakeless haha

drfunsocks FL (Jan 30, 2012 at 14:53)

no 1's said it yet but the bottom line is the bottom line. and thats the bottom line.....

mazze (Jan 30, 2012 at 17:32)

Did you smeeeeelllllll what The Rock is cooking?

bikebert (Jan 30, 2012 at 3:45)

This is where SOPA, PIPA and ACTA would come in

epavichthesavage (Jan 30, 2012 at 4:19)

............
haha?

fantaman (Jan 30, 2012 at 5:36)

1:48

IllestT (Jan 30, 2012 at 10:26)

I didn't really get that video?
I mean, what were they trying to say?

synaptonaut (Jan 30, 2012 at 20:29)

Better than the previous episode...I'd like to see more tech talk though.

crc92 (Jan 30, 2012 at 5:54)

Buddy!