its 350mpa plate. 4130 in 16mm thick is so rediculously expensive...350 is plenty strong enough for dropouts and stuff anyways when you've not got less than 2mm thick anywhere.

 And it heaps better to machine! good shit

 yeha but i realised tonight that i coulda done them by lasercutting a thick bit and a thin bit and welding them together for about 1/10th of the price and look almost identical...ahh well. i guess they will be a little bit stronger.

 do you wish to join in the underground bike builder web site

 yeah for sure, seeing as im definitely in the underground scene, makes sense! what is it? PM me if its all clandestine and mysterious hahaha!

 well the goal is to gather up all of us underground dude , in one site so people can have there pick depending were they are , if there 3 of you in your region then your customer can choose who the best but the main goal is to gather up as many Dh bike builder as possible so that we may become a powerfull competion to the mainstream corporation pig , we have the right to do what we feel like without having to fight agaisnt them , if people know we exist they might choose differently, cheer so pm if your coordinate and website if any so that i can start , cheers

 perth, Western Australia, www.descendence.com.au i like the vision, id like nothing more than to see Giant crumble hahahaha

 thanks cheers , can you pass the word to other fella like us who might be interessted, cheers

 i recon Alted would probably fit the bill.