AlexBroach

currently fighting a leaky rear (hold up) and my buddy is on his second round of warrantys from them. seems like their early gen must've had better qc because I know other people that've had good luck with them...

@mattg95: aint enough stack in the world. i have an xl madonnna with 65mm bars and the 455 chainstays still make it slow to pull through. couldn't imagine 475 lol

@nfontanella: these are already available for free, just look on yeggi. have a 38 and 35mm driver that gets some use each winter.

thingiverse/ yeggi/ a couple youtube tutorials for learning onshape are all more cost effective. bearing presses are one of the easier things you can model, i think this business model would work better for items that require complex surface geometry or scan data to create, and aren't already widely available on free stl sharing sites.

props to raaw, now that geo has largely converged this is this kind of optimizing brands should be doing (until 32 takes off...)

izzo aint got 464mm chainstays frame is also the cost of a full izzo build

@hllclmbr: obviously the materials alone aren’t 4500, by “make” i meant everything involved (engineering, graphic design, marketing, manufacturing, you get the idea). For a rough idea of the margins that ibis is running on: Jenson is selling ibis HD6 frame and shock rn for $2200 (44% off of the 3900 msrp). Jenson wouldn’t want to sell at a loss so they must’ve bought it from ibis for less than 44% of msrp, and ibis doesn’t want to sell at a loss, so they must gain value even selling it at 44% of msrp. The initial release of a product tests the water to see how much money the brand can wring out of it’s consumers (they typically take a best guess by looking at what competitors are charging for a comparable product, see specialized epic 8 in this particular case). If people stop paying such ridiculous prices, they’re going to drop.

@Bro-LanDog: please let me know which part i got wrong

@deepcovedave: solar power is the cheapest energy per kwh to generate (once you make the panels it's basically free energy for 10+ years). if anything it should be dropping the price

i'm getting ads for ibis' on jenson listed for 25-34% off right above your comment. $4500 is not what it costs to make a carbon frame in the us, it's what ibis has assessed the market at and is hoping people will pay. if jenson is able to sell ibis bikes at 25-34% off and still profit that's telling me that ibis's mark up is even higher than that. i'll never understand people in the comments fighting to justify higher bike prices.