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@blaklabl: There are two UDH sliding dropouts under on Revel/Why bikes. There is the UDH sliding dropout designed when the bikes were Why branded. This is before transmission was a product. The transmission cassette sits 2.5mm further outboard than a standard eagle cassette and will interfere with the original sliding dropout design. The sliding dropout on everything Revel branded is pushed further outboard to accommodate this. But in order to make this change and keep the dropout structural sound we had to push out the chain stay on the non drive side to accommodate the new design. This is what makes the new design not compatible with older frames. While both frames are boost if you measure the frame spacing without the sliding dropouts installed you will find the newer frames are wider spacing. Would have loved to see an S7 with ET but unfortunately it doesn't work.

Why would you think the Intense M1 developed by a team of racers and engineers is suited to only fit their preferences, but Neko's bike solely developed by himself would be a bike suited for everyone? Not saying that bias of developing around those who test the bike doesn't exist, but you seem to be applying that bias unequally. I would think it would be a stronger bias in the case of Neko's frame to be a bike suited for his preferences.

@danfromme: forgot about them, they make some great stuff

Just some other steel options: Reeb Cotic Zoceli Ferum Moxie Myth Maddness Pipedream Contra Willwood I'm sure there are tons of other small builders out there as well

Continental Air King is the way