KNOLLYBIKES

@southoftheborder: All in good fun. Though Canyon now has us tied for amount of pivots with the Sender and if you've seen the spy shots of the Specialized new DH bike, it looks like they also like what we are doing.

@southoftheborder: Wait, what the heck is going on!? I at home designing some new way to make a bike irrelevantly complex and next thing I know, I’m here.

Just thought we would mention - those two companies have a 2 year and a 5 year warranty on their frames. We have a lifetime warranty on our frames. That tells you a lot about the confidence they have in their product and we have in ours.

A welders experience comes from time with a torch in their hand - not where they live. We would put any welder from our factory up against any “pro” welder in the industry and their quality would be on par or better. And while those companies can manufacture a great frame they have nowhere near the sophisticated tube manipulation at their disposal as our factory. Are you seriously comparing Ventanas round tubes and welded on gussets to the radically shaped and formed tubes on our bikes? @Axxe:

We fixed the stupid worthless page (which is our online store) and added a link to take you back to the main page for all the model information - so now it is no longer stupid and worth something at least @scottzg:

Contact us directly and we will work something out. We think it is rad that you want one for your daughter. @Axxe:

@JohanG: You are focusing on only one aspect of 157TRAIL. Stiffness was not the ONLY reason we did this. It was ONE of the reasons we did it. So if you look at the bigger picture and try to understand the motivating factors behind the design it is much greater than "our bike is blah, blah percentage stiffer" and as you state how much is right, how much better is a stiffer bike? That is why the other factors were as important. Wheel size, Tire clearance, chainstay length, and not a new standard. If there is something in this section (pulled directly from our Fugitive page on our website) that glosses over the flipped ring aspect please let us know and we will update it. With SRAM and Shimano both offering a 157 compatible drivetrain now you can be sure that you will see more companies adopt it. Cranks and BB for the Fugitive With our new 157TRAIL rear end the chainline on the Fugitive and Fugitive LT is in the 55-57mm range with 56.5mm being optimal. There are a number of ways to get cranks to fit our frames so here are some helpful facts: The new SRAM DUB system has a bottom bracket, cranks and chainring combination that works perfectly. All the DUB BB's are the same but SRAM has an X01, GX, and Descendant 7k crank with a longer axle and a spacer (it is called SB+) that works with 157TRAIL. A standard SRAM crank with a zero offset chainring - One-Up and Chromag both have a great option - will work but it does limit the largest ring size on the front to 32t. Any direct mount Raceface crank with a flipped Direct Mount ring will work. Raceface rings come with a 3mm offset so when the ring is removed and flipped (the teeth profile works like this as well) it becomes a -3mm offset and the chainline works on the Fugitive. For a 1x system you can run a flipped ring on the Next SL, Next R, and Turbine cranks with a 134mm axle, or the Atlas and SIXC with the 136mm axle, or the Aeffect and Ride Cinch cranks with 137mm axle. For a 2x system you can run the Next SL, Next R or Turbine with a 143mm axle and a Boost spider. Shimano offers their cranks with a +3 option (the part number should have a "B" on the end like this: FC-M8000-B). The axle length and BB are the same as their standard cranks so the offset is worked into the chainring mount. This system will work as both a 1x and a 2x option on the Fugitive. NOTE: this set up requires one spacer between the BB and the frame on the drive side. Maximum size chainring is a 32t ring with this setup. The XTR, XT and SLX cranks in this configuration work on the Fugitive. FSA has 5 different MTN cranks that work with our 157TRAIL rear. Their system is very simple - you simply move one spacer from between the crank and the spider to between the spider and the BB to provide the right chainline.