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More progressive, more better?

May 16, 2025 at 15:37
by R-M-R  
Many riders seem to think a more progressive system is always better. This is not true:

1. There's a limit to everything
2. Many suspension applications outside of mountain biking have dramatically more variability in the curve shapes, demonstrating it's certainly not a universal truth
3. Few riders understand the effects of progressive/digressive/regressive curvature in the spring, damper, and linkage rates, or how these things interact

I gave a light-duty overview of this topic in the comments section of a news article, so I might as well repost it here.



First, we have to think about springs and dampers separately. Each one can, independently, be progressive, linear, or digressive. These properties are added together for a given point in the stroke and shaft speed to create the total support from the shock.

Next, we have to multiply the spring and damper linkage properties by the linkage properties, if present (a telescoping fork has no linkage). A linear spring and damper can produce a highly progressive system if it's mounted to a highly progressive linkage, or any combination of properties.

These things describe only the nature of the curvature, not the slope or the values. Some applications favour digressive or even regressive systems. A linear system could have a shallow slope ("soft") or a steep slope ("firm"). If there was a universally correct set-up, no others would exist. That said, not every set-up is appropriate - many are just inappropriate and bad.

Let's start with springs and compare a linear and a progressive system. We have to keep something constant to compare in a meaningful way, so let's use to total area under the force-displacement curve (total energy absorbed). The linear system gets firmer, faster, so it has a higher ride height (less dive), gives more platform to push against (more responsive), and compresses less when hitting typical impacts (less "plush"). Obviously, the progressive system is the opposite: more dive, squishier, and more plush. Good and bad points to each.

Dampers are similar. Digressive systems offer more support at lower shaft speeds (less dive, more responsive, less plush most of the time but can be softer on intense impacts), while linear or progressive systems have inverse characteristics.

Imagine an extremely (excessively) progressive system: There would be almost no resistance for most of the stroke, most of the time. Incredibly plush, but incredibly squishy. When you hit a large and/or fast impact, the end of the travel is like hitting a wall - your suspension hasn't bottomed out, but it feels almost like it has. Obviously, this is not a good set-up.

Now imagine an extremely digressive system: It barely moves until it reaches an extremely high level of support, then it opens up. It feels almost like a fully rigid bike, then - just when your hands and feet are about to blow off - it opens up and absorbs the entire obstacle or impact. It's super responsive and never bucks and dives like the previous example, but it's a brutal experience.

Clearly, the ideal set-up is somewhere between these two - but where? When we consider the range for all existing suspension systems (beyond mountain biking), the ideal for most people, in most situations, is pretty close to linear for both the spring and the damper. Fast and strong riders usually benefit from a more progressive set-up to provide enough support for the maximum forces they can produce, without making the system too firm the rest of the time.

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  • 30
 Lies, more progressive is always more betterer. Progress is good. You are progressing. Liniar is you stuck in place. Regressive? Now you are going backwards. Its in the names, duh.
  • 20
 Good point. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the Retrobike classifieds to find a Specialized Future Shock.
  • 10
 Good blog post.
The system is the combination of the spring and damper.
A linear damper will mis-match on a progressive spring.
The ideal system is one where the travel is available to use, but the damping can can control impacts and excessive movement smoothly.
The key thing people seem to forget is:
1 use the spring to support the rider.
(This is using a spring type to match the frame kinematics)
2 use the damper to match the shaft speeds and control needed.
(To match the spring style/forces and riding style)

Using a damper to off-set a mismatch in the spring type will always lead to comprises in the control available.
  • 10
 Thank you, and fully agree on most points. The exception is I don't think it's true that both the spring and damper have to have the same curve shapes, as the spring force curve is relative to displacement, while the damper force curve is relative to speed. It seems conceivable there could be a combination of riding speeds and impact sizes that could suit a progressive spring and linear damper or other "mismatched" combinations.
  • 10
 @R-M-R: sorry, it was more meaning that they need to compliment each other. Not be the same. E.g. progressive spring + progressive damper isn't usually a good combo.
So it could mean a digressive damper on a progressive spring actually means smoother travel use in specific bike kinematics.
  • 10
 @scar4me: True, and I think it will depend more on the use case than the kinematics. Rider speed, terrain steepness, impact size: the averages and ranges of each parameter can vary considerably!
  • 10
 @R-M-R good discussion, some of it may have went over my head tbh. i'd like to see a few examples along the way: a specific bike that is progressive juxtaposed with a specific bike that is not?

Also, a discussion of using a progressive rear spring such as MPR offers vs. a non progressive rear spring would be insightful.


vorsprungsuspension.com/blogs/learn/understanding-leverage-curves
mrpbike.com/products/enduro-progressive-coil-springs
  • 10
 When talking about a progressive "bike", we need to separate the kinematics of the frame from the complete system with frame and shock. It's possible to achieve similar results via a frame with progressive kinematics and a shock with a linear spring and damper, or a frame with linear kinematics and a shock with a progressive spring and a damper with a hydraulic bottom-out system. Frame kinematics and shock properties are multiplied together to produce the complete system curve.

For the reasons stated above, we often see bikes with highly progressive motion ratio curves paired with linear springs (ex. linear rate coil), and bikes with fairly flat motion ratio curves paired with air springs.

It's important to note that when we talk about a frame or spring being progressive, we are discussing it with respect to position (i.e. travel); when we talk about a damper being progressive, we are usually discussing it with respect to speed (a small fraction of bike dampers are also progressive with respect to position, and almost all racing off-road four-wheel shocks are progressive w.r.t. position).

A progressive coil spring is exactly what it purports to be: a coil spring with a slightly progressive spring rate. The upper end of how progressive a coil can be barely overlaps with the lower end of how linear a typical air spring can be.

When a frame has a progressive motion ratio, the progressivity acts upon both the spring and the damper. When a frame with a more linear motion ratio is paired with a more progressive spring, the damper is often ignored, so the complete system is progressive w.r.t. position, but remains more linear w.r.t speed.
  • 30
 We really need to get you a hobby nerd! Maybe you could pick up cycling?? lol
  • 30
 Said one keyboard warrior to the other!
  • 30
 @R-M-R: I see the pot calls the kettle black then!! Salute
  • 10
 Everything in moderation, including moderation. Linear kinematics with a moderate slope. Standard coil spring. Damper with a linear progressive rate and adjust slope to suit final needs.
  • 20
 Interesting piece, thanks for sharing.
"Few riders understand the effects of" *insert any area of bike components* Wink
  • 20
 I'm doing my best to address that, one nerdy post at a time!
  • 20
 moar tokenz
  • 30
 I'm sure someone, somewhere, bought a high-volume air can and loaded it with tokens.







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