Kelly's flips were awesome, but Strait had more overall flow. I'm glad that he won, it shows that Rampage is not only about massive tricks, you need the whole run to make it. Maybe it would all look differently if there were second runs, Lacondeguy had a GREAT run, maybe Zink would add more jumps to his sick backflip and take the win. But for now, one big trick was not enough and it's totally OK for me.
Well you could say that strait also had just one big trick in his run. Kelly had 3 difficult tricks with a big move similar to straits in it if you keep in mind how many people crashed while trying to pull a backflip in this terrain.
I'm just throwing this out there but I'm guessing, there are a lot of other people who share your thoughts (like me). That's why he got people's choice :-D
Its not about tricks though. Look up the judging criteria for the event. Tricks only account for 25% of the score. The rest is made up of Fluidity and style, Air and Amplitude, and Line choice at 25% respectively. Strait was better in every other category which is I'm sure why he got the win. Kelly's flips were awesome and he was rewarded for them with second place. But Strait went just as big plus his line was gnarlier, all while being faster and smoother top to bottom.
Idk about this, but flipping the canyon gap seems a lot harder to me then dropping a flip? Don't shoot me please as I have never even flipped a bike so I wouldn't know from experience I'm just guessing
Straight did pick a flowy line and it was more fun to watch on the top end, but the result was no real technical tricks. Just a huge drop with a no hander and some whips. McGerry pushed the envelope throughout his line, taking rough lines in order to get where he needed to be, sacrificing flow to do something unbelievable. Sorry Strait, but this gopro vid confirms it. The Kiwi flew best.
taletotell- you forgot to tell the tale of how Strait not only cleaned his entire line but the top part was one of the most gnarly lines there... on top of hitting a drop that I think is way gnarlier than the canyon gap with the improved lip. Hell, Cam and Strait were almost going the same distance out as the canyon gap but also dropping 40 ft. onto a skinny landing.
I think the judges scored it right and it's easy to tell that they gave Strait the win because he rode his line completely and with flow. If McGarry hit that jump after his backie drop, I have no doubt that he would have taken first.
But regardless of what happened or what could have happened, people will always bitch about the judging because that's what happens at every comp. for every sport.
They could have dropped 100ft and they still could have landed safely. That landing was big enough to land an A380 on dude....
And stating that the drop was just as far as the canyon gap, but also dropping the same amount only justifies me saying flipping the canyon gap is harder. It's simple physics.
I think that after the canyon flip, then the next flip, if he'd kept the bike on line to hit the double, first place was on. But that miss might've been what gave the win to Strait (not saying Strait was just handed the win, he had a great run!).
I don't even think it's worth deciding which is harder the Canyon or the Sender, take them out of both runs and Strait's up top line KILLS it. So smooth and fast, just dialed. That's why he won, and rightfully so.
The landing was big enough to land an A380 on? How did that huge landing work out for Logan Bingelli?
I've never flipped a bike or sent anything near as big as the sender or the canyon gap but I feel like a big drop is harder than a big jump in general. And to flip them? Again to me common sense says that physics wise, the jump is easier. It has a big lip, its just more natural to flip off a ramp than it is a drop.
Also, its amazing how many people dismiss the Strait's drop as "just a no hander off the big drop", like its nothing. Last I checked only 2 guys (Strait and Zink) even hit the big sender all weekend? No one else would even sack up and drop it, but Strait doing a suicide no hander off it was just another trick.
Plus flipping a drop is harder just look at the fmb world tour only pilgrim and Semenuk flip drops but off jumps people double flip frontflip comboflips
I love this discussion. It's like porta-john delivery guys arguing about whether a lungtransplant is harder than a double bypass. What a bunch of armchair pros we must be.
Based on looks i personally though Strait's run looked smoother, but McGerry looked gnarlier. Whether they were harder is over my head.
Rampage was all around pretty rad this time around and I don't think anyone really got gypped like they did last year. To me, the judging was pretty fair, especially the podium. You can shuffle around scores all day long and never come to a consensus. Its like the old Batman vs. Superman argument. Superman has a ton of superpowers but Batman makes Superman look like one of the newsies. But Rampage, to me, is more like putting together the Avengers. The baddest group of guys around. (Yeah, Im kind of a nerd...)
Ánd I have to say I'd rather drop than double something. I I think drops are easier. But that's just me. On the other hand, biggest drop I did is something like 5 meters but gap was almost 10. Dropping 10 would be sick, I don't even want to think about over 20 meters distance + over 20m drop!! They're all heroes in my book!
The two reasons why I think Strait deserved first place:
1) He cleared his whole line from top to bottom. McGarry went off his line in the end missing the last objects to ride, while he cruises between the bushes to get to the finish.
2) Strait's line seemed a lot harder.
McGarry has a well deserved 2nd place. If he wouldn't have gone off track and he would have been able to clear the whole track, I might say he deserved to be first, but missing out the part of the track defenitely cost him points.
In the end the Rampage is all about riding lines, so I'd say you can't win a contest if you're not able to ride out your whole line. That would be against the whole idea of the Rampage. Good enough for slopestyle, but not for Rampage.
No disrespect to the arm chair wannabes on here but Strait and MCGarry earned their spots and respective places by doing things most of us have never done, will never do, could never do.
Just the beginning of the runs puts me in a cold sweat, full credit to all the riders at Rampage this year.
I just love this "no disrespect" usage. It never makes sense because you're ALWAYS about to disrespect someone. If you don't want to, shut you mouth and keep it to yourself.
Let me decide whether I will jump a 72' gap or drop. If I'm drunk enough I'll do anything and I guess a lot of the "armchair warriors" (why don't you call them keyboard warriors like everyone else you f*cking hipsters) are of the same making.
So leave us to battle, as we are the warriors and you all are being your dads.
You can't compare how semenuk and pilgrim flip Flat drops to this. Zink used a lip hence why it's the biggest step down flip . I personally think if we had of seen the second runs it would of ended alot along the lines of zink in first place cause he would of cleaned up that run, in the end I'm happy with the standings and the judges done a great job .
Huge props to every1 involved in rampage this year
Huge props to McGarry for totally blowing our minds with that canyon gap flip..I like how he didn't announce it like Zink did he just went out there and did it..made it more memorable for me
Word on the street is that he had a front flip planned over the canyon gap for the second run! How rad is that shit!? And you thought this was big eh. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrAbbySUD8U Mcgarry = god.
Strait had his top section line that was full of small gaps and he ran that section with good speed. Most of the areas Strait ran through were very steep with 7 ridge drops and no wobble on any of his lands from those drops, I even counted the sender as a drop.
McGarry; The guy is so tall, his length could be a problem for him in the descents Strait was making. Hitting the backflip up on the ridge was a good strategy and was executed with great form. As Mcgarry makes his way to the canyon he slows down several times to line up for drops he should have know through practice, he made four drops before hitting the canyon and only put good speed into his final drop to the canyon. McGarry also chose a long line halfway down the ridge to set himself up for the canyon, but didn't seem to have good speed or flow through that line, he was just moving himself into position. However, McGarry's run was explosive in the execution of his three backflips, and I don't think anyone really thought that he would attempt a third at the end of his run. Had McGarry put some speed into the entry of his drops and didn't slow placing himself for the canyon, he could of had first. I really think the two times he slowed to line for his drops is what cost McGarry 1st(assumption).
I liked both their runs, I think it was a tie, but that's just me... Okay, I'm going to watch this some more until I get tired of replaying it.
aussiebrock - "I personally think if we had of seen the second runs it would of ended alot along the lines of zink in first place cause he would of cleaned up that run".
I personally think if given a 2nd run, Zink woulda crashed somewhere like he usually does.
I was thinking how funny it was how he was humming and talking to himself, but then this thought struck me. I would be screaming after dropping in on that! Respect!
I can't wait for the day that they can stream the riders POV live during the event. Really shows how steep and exposed those lines are. Far away video shots just don't do these gnar lines justice
They could prob do it now but to be honest its not really a good view to cover a contest live. Look at this video for example. You don't get a good perspective at all to really see what hes doing and where. It works better as a supplement. This helmet cam video is awesome because we all know what we are watching already and it adds a new perspective. If I haven't seen the run already I'd have no idea how big he was actually going.
What nbc should do when they replay it on tv is incorporate the pov footage into the original footage allowing instant pov replays of what the riders just rode. Would be so sick would take watching rampage to the next level
Please people, lets not get mired down in the competitive aspect of this. Arguing over whose run was better is such BS and distracts from the fact that this is fantastic mountain biking. Redbull Rampage really is an exhibition of amazing riding from the outer edge of what is capable on a bike and arguing over the semantics is really detrimental to just enjoying and appreciating it. That POV of the flip over the gap is amazing. So cool to share that view.
Incredible, amazing, insane, f*cking sick!! Kelly has big balls! I've never tried any trick in my bike so I'm very far way to try something like Kelly did. But with this video, I almost felt like I was the rider.
That was absolutely insane!! Were the flips slowed down or just so massive that they seemed like it? Either way it seemed like there was next to no time to spot the landing.
It would be fun to compare to a gopro of Kyle's run. When I see the speed and composure going into the Canyon Gap, I really think he should have won. I was never a big fan before but this was a complete run.
It would be interesting to see how the judges scores would differ if they were able to view the head-cam footage, not saying they should do this, just an amazingly different perspective. That boring top section is f***in crazy!
I wonder what he might have done if he'd kept his line after that last flip. Just a roll out or more magic? I kinda wonder if that might have made the difference.
WOW. All I can say about that video. And having met Kelly at the GoPro booth at Interbike 2012, I can testify that he's a terrific guy in person. So nice.
McGarry's and Zinks flips were both massive. I'm surprised they were even able to trick anything after them. I'd be shaking so much from the adrenalin I wouldn't be able to hold onto the handle bars.
It's a big mountain competition. Flipping setup jumps shouldn't beat out straight up gnarly descents. Kyle Strait deserved the win. Still fun to watch the POV, but go watch slopestyle and dirt jump events if you want to see that get first place.
Crazy to see KM's ride. I was way more stoked watching that than Kyle.
Love watching the BF off this in POV. I was counting how long he was in the air.
Cool perspective.
If you could see Straits go-pro I don't think you'd be talking this shit...
You gotta remember Kayodic Kyle grew up racing world cups as a Jr. and is one of the best bike handlers on the planet. Now I'm not trying to diss McGazza, that was gnar, but just because Kyle made it look easy doesn't mean anyone could...
www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3332462
I think the judges scored it right and it's easy to tell that they gave Strait the win because he rode his line completely and with flow. If McGarry hit that jump after his backie drop, I have no doubt that he would have taken first.
But regardless of what happened or what could have happened, people will always bitch about the judging because that's what happens at every comp. for every sport.
Are you kidding me?! A skinny landing w00t!
They could have dropped 100ft and they still could have landed safely. That landing was big enough to land an A380 on dude....
And stating that the drop was just as far as the canyon gap, but also dropping the same amount only justifies me saying flipping the canyon gap is harder. It's simple physics.
I've never flipped a bike or sent anything near as big as the sender or the canyon gap but I feel like a big drop is harder than a big jump in general. And to flip them? Again to me common sense says that physics wise, the jump is easier. It has a big lip, its just more natural to flip off a ramp than it is a drop.
Also, its amazing how many people dismiss the Strait's drop as "just a no hander off the big drop", like its nothing. Last I checked only 2 guys (Strait and Zink) even hit the big sender all weekend? No one else would even sack up and drop it, but Strait doing a suicide no hander off it was just another trick.
@futureworldchamp I believe you dude! Makes sense!
@taletotell you crack me up LOL. Yes I stooped to the level of arguing about stuff I have no personal knowledge of, but it's fun! :-P
At least we all like bikes? I know I like mine! ^o^
1) He cleared his whole line from top to bottom. McGarry went off his line in the end missing the last objects to ride, while he cruises between the bushes to get to the finish.
2) Strait's line seemed a lot harder.
McGarry has a well deserved 2nd place. If he wouldn't have gone off track and he would have been able to clear the whole track, I might say he deserved to be first, but missing out the part of the track defenitely cost him points.
In the end the Rampage is all about riding lines, so I'd say you can't win a contest if you're not able to ride out your whole line. That would be against the whole idea of the Rampage. Good enough for slopestyle, but not for Rampage.
Let me decide whether I will jump a 72' gap or drop. If I'm drunk enough I'll do anything and I guess a lot of the "armchair warriors" (why don't you call them keyboard warriors like everyone else you f*cking hipsters) are of the same making.
So leave us to battle, as we are the warriors and you all are being your dads.
McGarry; The guy is so tall, his length could be a problem for him in the descents Strait was making. Hitting the backflip up on the ridge was a good strategy and was executed with great form. As Mcgarry makes his way to the canyon he slows down several times to line up for drops he should have know through practice, he made four drops before hitting the canyon and only put good speed into his final drop to the canyon. McGarry also chose a long line halfway down the ridge to set himself up for the canyon, but didn't seem to have good speed or flow through that line, he was just moving himself into position. However, McGarry's run was explosive in the execution of his three backflips, and I don't think anyone really thought that he would attempt a third at the end of his run. Had McGarry put some speed into the entry of his drops and didn't slow placing himself for the canyon, he could of had first. I really think the two times he slowed to line for his drops is what cost McGarry 1st(assumption).
I liked both their runs, I think it was a tie, but that's just me... Okay, I'm going to watch this some more until I get tired of replaying it.
I personally think if given a 2nd run, Zink woulda crashed somewhere like he usually does.
Fans voted him FIRST PLACE!
Get rid of the fun destroying judges Red Bull! Let people vote!
Perhaps a prize of some sort for winning fan favorite?
Kelly has big balls!
I've never tried any trick in my bike so I'm very far way to try something like Kelly did. But with this video, I almost felt like I was the rider.
time to release te db4l. it's clearly ready for the market
-adam
Were the flips slowed down or just so massive that they seemed like it? Either way it seemed like there was next to no time to spot the landing.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4R82PrKeMg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Could Strait do a run like McGazza? NO
Could McGazza do Straits run? YES and with ease
You have the answer who is the winner.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/10250749