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flag Lando406
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Posted: Dec 12, 2020 at 7:56 Quote
Loyalty wrote:
Thanks, I’m really leaning towards one. Interestingly reliability is one positive all the specialists I’ve spoken with state about the Ohlins. Early issues and reputation clearly still linger on in people’s minds (in general, not aimed at you Danzz Wink ). Just now weighing up whether better shock or lighter wheels will improve my ride more!!

Do both! But really, your decision comes down to what you have now and what you want out of your bike. If you have totally shit stock stock wheels and you want a precise ride, go wheels. If your shock is garbage and you want to make your ride more composed, go coil. If you want to make everything better, get both—I did and it totally changed my bike. Went from stock XT hubs laced to crappy E-13 rims and a performance Fox X2 to We Are One Union rims with Onyx Vesper hubs and the Ohlin’s coil, and my 2020 Sight transformed.
flag Dkutassy
Posted: Dec 12, 2020 at 8:17 Quote
Loyalty wrote:
Thanks, I’m really leaning towards one. Interestingly reliability is one positive all the specialists I’ve spoken with state about the Ohlins. Early issues and reputation clearly still linger on in people’s minds (in general, not aimed at you Danzz Wink ). Just now weighing up whether better shock or lighter wheels will improve my ride more!!

I'd go coil shock first if you're on an air shock now. I just switched to a Jade X from previously having a Topaz and a DPX2. The Jade X is a monumental improvement to supple ground hugging suspension performance. Haven't tried other coil shocks yet.

Wheels are a great upgrade but it depends on what you're looking to get out of it. If you ride a lot of chunk higher engagement hubs letting you wratched through rock gardens is a major upgrade. Specific rims and spokes can have a big impact on ride quality and durability but it depends on what you're riding now.
flag Loyalty
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Posted: Dec 12, 2020 at 8:37 Quote
Yeah, thanks. That’s the way I’m leaning with maybe some lighter tyres as I really don’t need the casing that I have now. Nothing wrong with my wheels, they’re just quite heavy. Maybe later in the year I’ll upgrade them after I’ve taken the current set through another winter!
flag Thirty3
Posted: Dec 12, 2020 at 17:09 Quote
AlDrag wrote:
Thirty3 wrote:
My Cr Bomber is simply fantastic. It made my Sensor so much better. It has pop, liveliness, traction and it got rid of the spike at the air shock had. I'm not saying it's the best shock around or anything but it fits the bill for me and I really like it.

How do you find it without a climb switch?

I am trying to decide whether I get the Marzocchi Bomber CR or DVO Jade X. Bomber will be a bit cheaper for me.

With my Sensor pedal bob doesn't seem to be a huge issue. I live in an area where there are not any real sustained climbs and I've never thought to myself that l wished it had a climb switch. As l said in my post the cr isn't in the same league as
these expensive shocks like the ext but its a dream for Avalanche to tune. Im super happy with it
flag yourrealdad
Posted: Dec 13, 2020 at 4:29 Quote
I have the Ohlins coil Stumpy from a few years ago. My buddy who was the original owner felt it was over damped when he bought it and sent it back in to get tuned. Then sold it to me.

I have had zero issues with it and have ridden the bike pretty hard for the past three years. Also I always hear that Specialized eats up shocks because of the yoke Mount. Knock on wood. This year would have been a good year to sell it, but I just love it too damn much.

It is IMO very poppy, more so than my air shock Calling and my Push on my Wreck. (I would say the 11/6 performs better over all, but that can be a factor of many different things since it is two bikes)

At least in the states service has been fantastic. Turn around is quick and I love that they send you the old parts so you know they did the job.

I will add on that the Ohlins Coil RFX36 that I had them upgrade to EVO is the best fork I have ever ridden. Every other fork I ride I just wished it performed like the Ohlins.
flag Danzzz88
Posted: Dec 13, 2020 at 5:40 Quote
Yea the 11/6 is not a poppy shock at all, definitely they run more rebound damping and damping in general than some others, I had to lighten my spring and damping to get the supple feel I wanted but what I will say about the PUSH is how composed it is, the transition between compression and rebound is smooth as silk and the shock doesn't over extend or compress more than it needs too, there is no unwanted oscillations, weird noises or unexpected behaviour, whether it's tuned firm or not you know it's going to do it's job and have your back and the build quality is amongst the best I have seen of any bicycle part.

Also if anyone is looking for one in 230 x 65 I have a second brand new one I am willing to sell for a fair price, you would need it retuning for your bike though, I am happy to keep it as a spare but if anyone wants it for a fair price I'm just as happy to let it go.
flag Dkutassy
Posted: Dec 13, 2020 at 12:15 Quote
My brand new Jade X does not have a slushy sound. It's almost silent, I can't hear it at all while riding.
flag AlDrag
Posted: Apr 15, 2021 at 3:50 Quote
I'm looking to get my first coil shock for my Whyte s-150crs.

I'm hung I up on either Rockshox super deluxe coil, Fox DHX2 or DVO Jade X.

I can get the DVO ordered with a custom tune and the rockshox with a vorsprung tractive tune.

Opinions?
flag spinzillathespacelizard
Posted: Apr 15, 2021 at 11:56 Quote
I have an 11-6 that I picked up used for a good deal and had re tuned for my bike. its fine, the fact i was able to get it changed over was a big plus and its gone through 3 frames. I use the two separate chamber functions.

My next frame will have the EXT storia Lok. I have a Hydrolic bottom out circuit in my Zeb with Smashpot. I want that same function in my rear suspension. The Smashpot has the best feeling bottom out of any fork I have ever used.

I am being a dummy and jumping on the forbidden Train. My riding in the SW is all very steep square edges that suck your rear wheel in. I also like how they change the rear center so XL frames don't feel stupid.
flag WalrusRider
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Posted: Apr 15, 2021 at 12:22 Quote
Budget? Bomber no question. Even after getting it custom tuned it would be cheaper than pretty much every other coil and should perform very well. Spending more money? I'd go Ohlins with a custom tune. Way cheaper than Push or EXT with comparable performance. The Ohlins has longer service intervals and easier to get serviced which is nice. Being able to get my suspension serviced locally is a selling point for me that's not really possible for the Push or EXT for most people.

I would only consider a Push if I really wanted that second damping circuit. Otherwise it's heavy and very expensive. Not a fan of the short service intervals on the EXT and the need for tools to adjust. The hydraulic bottom out is a cool feature though.
flag Danzzz88
Posted: Apr 15, 2021 at 13:12 Quote
The new PUSH 11.6 also has hydraulic bottom out, so that's one thing the EXT doesn't have over the 11.6 anymore, however the 11.6 also has a progressive bottom out bumper whereas the EXT doesn't.
flag mtb-scotland
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Posted: Apr 16, 2021 at 4:17 Quote
people that spend 1k on a shock are of course going to think it is the best thing ever (mostly)

I have a CCDB coil IL on my bike and I can have it riding great or with a couple of twists make it ride nasty. How the shock is tuned is going to massively influence the opinion. Also what bike is the shock is on can make a difference to how it feels.

Don't forget that push and EXT can be tuned badly as well.

the opinion of people that sell the product couldn't be more biased.
flag borlowski90
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Posted: Apr 16, 2021 at 20:25 Quote
Been running a CC DB coil on my 19 RM altitude, been incredible. Super smooth.
flag Danzzz88
Posted: Apr 17, 2021 at 1:42 Quote
To a degree MTB is right, a coil is a coil, as long as it's working right. Some coils like the previous DHX2 series weren't great as the poppets mean they are firm at low speeds then blow off and lack support. A custom tune will help some too, shocks like the 11.6 have different piston flow rates for each bike specifically. I can tell you going from an 11.6 s/s to the new 11.6 R (v2) with dual stage stack Darren made specifically for me that I noticed a big difference even between one genration of 11.6 to another after Darren created me a special tune. So tuning and shim stack arrangement does make a big difference. Other than that it's mostly build quality, after market support and if you think yoi could use a lockout lever' two circuits etc...

But yes to a degree, any coil as long as ut's tuned within your weight range is miles better than air and the biggest difference will be noticed there, anytbing more expensive just refines everything a bit, it depends to what degree you are sensitive to this sort of thing.

Also some shocks are noisy (EXT looking at you) and some aren't. It's all in the details and feel on the trail, there is a difference for sure but the main gains to be had is simply going from air to coil.
flag Pablo16v
Posted: Apr 17, 2021 at 6:12 Quote
WalrusRider wrote:
Budget? Bomber no question. Even after getting it custom tuned it would be cheaper than pretty much every other coil and should perform very well. .

I have to say I've been very impressed with my Bomber CR. I rode it stock for a few months until I got a good handle on how it performed then had the compression and rebound custom tuned which made what was already a good stock shock even better.

 


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