2020 Specialized Enduro Thoughts

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2020 Specialized Enduro Thoughts
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flag kurt2
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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 at 14:36 Quote
Hamburgi wrote:
who is riding an X2 in his enduro?

i noticed that my High speed rebound is fully closed (Slow) and its still fast AF...

someone noticed the same issue?

I've got my rebound quite close to all-the-way-closed as well. Don't recall exactly how many clicks. 220 lbs rider here. Rear shock pressure is quite high, say 275 psi range. One service center I spoke to mentioned using heavier weight oil in the damper when doing rebuilds of the X2. Next time my shock comes apart, will probably opt for heavier oil and see what happens.

Other side notes since last post:
-added Magura MDR-P rotors (220 front, 203 rear) and noticed a huge performance increase in braking over the stock Sram rotors I was using with the Magura MT7 brakes. They were so good, I forgot about braking altogether. The MT7 levers needed a drop of loc-tight on the reach adjust. Otherwise it vibrated and reminded me of Shimano's wandering bite point. Others have used zip-ties to secure the ratting reach-adjust. Loc-tite seemed less cave-man to me.
-added cushcore in the rear. Now running 24 psi in rear (with cushcore) and 24 psi up front (no cushcore). Will continue to tweak.
-added Vorsprung Luftkappe to the 38. Can't tell if the performance upgrade is due to the piston, or fresh lube. Will update later after many more rides and adjustments.
-everyone on this forum got me paranoid, so I did a very careful inspection of the upper bearing race in the headtube. I did find a "feature", but it's hard to tell if its simply an artifact from the manufacturing process, or truly a crack. Submitted photos to the shop, and they're looking into it. 2021, S5, Expert build in red.
-made a little video of ripping the bike in Invermere and Radium, BC a few weeks ago. It's in my video's section for anyone interested.

Peace, and thanks for the information sharing everyone.
flag jawa
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Posted: Jun 2, 2022 at 16:36 Quote
kurt2 wrote:
Hamburgi wrote:
who is riding an X2 in his enduro?

i noticed that my High speed rebound is fully closed (Slow) and its still fast AF...

someone noticed the same issue?

I've got my rebound quite close to all-the-way-closed as well. Don't recall exactly how many clicks. 220 lbs rider here. Rear shock pressure is quite high, say 275 psi range. One service center I spoke to mentioned using heavier weight oil in the damper when doing rebuilds of the X2. Next time my shock comes apart, will probably opt for heavier oil and see what happens.

Other side notes since last post:
-added Magura MDR-P rotors (220 front, 203 rear) and noticed a huge performance increase in braking over the stock Sram rotors I was using with the Magura MT7 brakes. They were so good, I forgot about braking altogether. The MT7 levers needed a drop of loc-tight on the reach adjust. Otherwise it vibrated and reminded me of Shimano's wandering bite point. Others have used zip-ties to secure the ratting reach-adjust. Loc-tite seemed less cave-man to me.
-added cushcore in the rear. Now running 24 psi in rear (with cushcore) and 24 psi up front (no cushcore). Will continue to tweak.
-added Vorsprung Luftkappe to the 38. Can't tell if the performance upgrade is due to the piston, or fresh lube. Will update later after many more rides and adjustments.
-everyone on this forum got me paranoid, so I did a very careful inspection of the upper bearing race in the headtube. I did find a "feature", but it's hard to tell if its simply an artifact from the manufacturing process, or truly a crack. Submitted photos to the shop, and they're looking into it. 2021, S5, Expert build in red.
-made a little video of ripping the bike in Invermere and Radium, BC a few weeks ago. It's in my video's section for anyone interested.

Peace, and thanks for the information sharing everyone.

Magura brakes are designed to be run with 2.0mm rotors and not 1.8mm like Sram hence the better performance there.

The artifact in the headtube sounds like what I had. There was a couple of holes in the carbon cup that had been filled with epoxy, that I assume acted as a stress riser for the crack that came off them.
flag UncleSpec
Posted: Jun 2, 2022 at 22:28 Quote
Throw away those MDR-P rotors, they start making ratling sounds in few weeks (i spend 200€ on them and now they rest on a wall, bought them twice WTF) and replace them with new 2,0mm Sram rotors, then you will have even more power. I use 220/203 combo with MT5 and just love them.
flag mrtrinh
Posted: Jun 2, 2022 at 23:39 Quote
Can any light riders (150lbs) tell me their experience with the fox 38? I have a s works build eta 2 weeks and my LBS will let me swap out the 38 for a 36. I figure given my weight the 38 would be overkill and I wouldn't mine shedding half a pound. Thoughts?
flag jaame
Posted: Jun 3, 2022 at 14:32 Quote
Hello everyone. Another bearing seat crack story here.

We pulled the fork out of my mate's enduro this arvo to give it a service. Took the time to clean and inspect the headset top bearing seat in the frame. It shows the exact same signs of crackage that have been well documented here.

My mate bought the frame used and it has no warranty due to it being over two years since the original owner's original purchase.

Decision time: thoughts welcomed.

Does he...

1. Just keep riding it and see what happens
2. Get in touch with the guy he bought it off (PITN due to the eight hour drive between the two houses)
3. Have it inspected by a carbon repair specialist
4. Something else


Does anyone know of this issue leading to a catastrophic failure?
Does anyone know of anyone who has fitted metal headset cups to this generation of enduro?

Thanks in advance.
flag Blownoutrides
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Posted: Jun 3, 2022 at 15:07 Quote
jaame wrote:
Hello everyone. Another bearing seat crack story here.

We pulled the fork out of my mate's enduro this arvo to give it a service. Took the time to clean and inspect the headset top bearing seat in the frame. It shows the exact same signs of crackage that have been well documented here.

My mate bought the frame used and it has no warranty due to it being over two years since the original owner's original purchase.

Decision time: thoughts welcomed.

Does he...

1. Just keep riding it and see what happens
2. Get in touch with the guy he bought it off (PITN due to the eight hour drive between the two houses)
3. Have it inspected by a carbon repair specialist
4. Something else


Does anyone know of this issue leading to a catastrophic failure?
Does anyone know of anyone who has fitted metal headset cups to this generation of enduro?

Thanks in advance.

Warranty it through the person who sold it to you and get yourself a new frame in the mean time. I heard a rumor that Spec fixed the issue in the 2022 frames (?).

Ideally they can contact the shop by phone / email and you can ship it directly to the shop.

Bikers are good folks generally speaking. I can’t imagine they’d balk. I’d do the same for any frame I passed on to someone else.

A buddy still rides his cracked warrantied frame on mellow CC type rides with his kid (nobody wanted it back!) and actually rode it at Downieville without incident when his main bike was in the shop. He doesn’t jump though FWIW.

I definitely wouldn’t send anything on it. A failed head tube on a drop / jump at speed would not be much fun.
flag Prh
Posted: Jun 4, 2022 at 3:45 Quote
jaame wrote:
Hello everyone. Another bearing seat crack story here.

We pulled the fork out of my mate's enduro this arvo to give it a service. Took the time to clean and inspect the headset top bearing seat in the frame. It shows the exact same signs of crackage that have been well documented here.

My mate bought the frame used and it has no warranty due to it being over two years since the original owner's original purchase.

Decision time: thoughts welcomed.

Does he...

1. Just keep riding it and see what happens
2. Get in touch with the guy he bought it off (PITN due to the eight hour drive between the two houses)
3. Have it inspected by a carbon repair specialist
4. Something else


Does anyone know of this issue leading to a catastrophic failure?
Does anyone know of anyone who has fitted metal headset cups to this generation of enduro?

Thanks in advance.

Had warranty accepted for same thing 2 months ago and still waiting for new frame. I put some extra resin under the cracks for peace of mind and still riding it. Luckily bike park just shut so just local trails which are easier on the frame now. Not a good feeling riding a frame you know has an issue but without another frame it was that or no riding. Fingers crossed new frame turns up soon.

Would definitely try for warranty first if you can, it’s a very well known fault. Failing that try for carbon repair. I wouldn’t recommend riding for too long, not fun as mentioned having it in the back of mind while using the bike as intended….
flag jaame
Posted: Jun 4, 2022 at 4:02 Quote
It does seem like this issue has been accepted as a warrantyable defect for everyone who has reported it here. Would be a shag if it was stripped down and returned only to be rejected.
flag ChewyWookiee
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Posted: Jun 5, 2022 at 3:46 Quote
Had to warranty my frame recently due to headset cup cracking. Seems it didn't like something I did to it in Tasmania!

I was VERY lucky that Specialized Australia were able to track down a frame, buy it back from a shop interstate and get it shipped across the country for me. Was looking at an 8-12 month wait on a replacement or them buying the frame back for 4000 Aussie dollars which I thought was a bit of a shitty offer. Warranties are their issue, why should I then be out of pocket some thousands of dollars because of their design mistake?

Anyhoo, had it frame wrapped the same day I picked it up and I am verrry happy with this colour (even though I had grown to love the Satin Rasberry).

The rundown:
193cm, 78kg / 6'4", 172 pounds

S4 frame
DHX2 @ 450 spring (considering slightly firmer spring. Also I run the X2 on smoother 'funner' stuff.)
Fox 38 @ 86-93 Psi
Code RSC brakes
220mm HS2 rotors (new on this bike and they are definitively even better than the old ones)
Koolstop sintered pads (also noticeably better than SRAM's)
GX Lunar Cassette
XX1 chain (running silca secret chain wax so I can always eat off my drivetrain if I need to Razz )
GX Shifter
OneUp Switch 32t oval chainring
Oneup Bashguard
PNW Rainier dropper, 200mm
OneUp Dropper lever
Ergon Enduro saddle
Oneup Carbon bars 30mm rise, 800mm wide
Revgrips RG5 grips
Funn Equalizer Stem @ 42mm + 10mm raise
Funn Ripper pedals (ground down the rear pins and they are absolutely rad)
Funn Phantom AM35 rims
Maxxis HighRoller II's at the moment. 24/25Psi front, 27/28Psi rear.

Next upgrades:
OneUp 240mm dropper (when they come back in to stock!)
180mm air spring + maybe Luftkappe
At some point will build up some carbon wheels for it and also switch out some of the heavy bits like the cassette and cranks as that was all I could order during covid lockdown!

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flag jaame
Posted: Jun 5, 2022 at 4:19 Quote
OMG that colour is sublime.
flag Prh
Posted: Jun 5, 2022 at 14:22 Quote
jaame wrote:
It does seem like this issue has been accepted as a warrantyable defect for everyone who has reported it here. Would be a shag if it was stripped down and returned only to be rejected.

I only needed photos of the cracks for warranty to be accepted and proof of purchase.
flag jaame
Posted: Jun 6, 2022 at 2:35 Quote
Good to know. Thanks for that info.
flag exmouthlocal
Posted: Jun 6, 2022 at 2:46 Quote
kurt2 wrote:
Hamburgi wrote:
who is riding an X2 in his enduro?

i noticed that my High speed rebound is fully closed (Slow) and its still fast AF...

someone noticed the same issue?

I've got my rebound quite close to all-the-way-closed as well. Don't recall exactly how many clicks. 220 lbs rider here. Rear shock pressure is quite high, say 275 psi range. One service center I spoke to mentioned using heavier weight oil in the damper when doing rebuilds of the X2. Next time my shock comes apart, will probably opt for heavier oil and see what happens.

Other side notes since last post:
-added Magura MDR-P rotors (220 front, 203 rear) and noticed a huge performance increase in braking over the stock Sram rotors I was using with the Magura MT7 brakes. They were so good, I forgot about braking altogether. The MT7 levers needed a drop of loc-tight on the reach adjust. Otherwise it vibrated and reminded me of Shimano's wandering bite point. Others have used zip-ties to secure the ratting reach-adjust. Loc-tite seemed less cave-man to me.
-added cushcore in the rear. Now running 24 psi in rear (with cushcore) and 24 psi up front (no cushcore). Will continue to tweak.
-added Vorsprung Luftkappe to the 38. Can't tell if the performance upgrade is due to the piston, or fresh lube. Will update later after many more rides and adjustments.
-everyone on this forum got me paranoid, so I did a very careful inspection of the upper bearing race in the headtube. I did find a "feature", but it's hard to tell if its simply an artifact from the manufacturing process, or truly a crack. Submitted photos to the shop, and they're looking into it. 2021, S5, Expert build in red.
-made a little video of ripping the bike in Invermere and Radium, BC a few weeks ago. It's in my video's section for anyone interested.

Peace, and thanks for the information sharing everyone.

I agree with the other poster, after awhile the MDR-P rotors will start to rattle and it sounds god awful! I actually didnt realise it was the rotors and went chasing this awful rattle by replacing the mech, and then doing every bearing in the frame to only realise when refitting the wheel as I dropped it that it was the rotor! I have now moved to the SRAM HS2 220 rotors and feels the same with no rattle!
flag Leven
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Posted: Jun 6, 2022 at 14:04 Quote
mrtrinh wrote:
Can any light riders (150lbs) tell me their experience with the fox 38? I have a s works build eta 2 weeks and my LBS will let me swap out the 38 for a 36. I figure given my weight the 38 would be overkill and I wouldn't mine shedding half a pound. Thoughts?

I was 145-150lb and had the lyrik. I didn't have worry about any fleeciness or something i didnt like about the fork. But also at the same time its a heavy bike and you aren't going to be setting koms uphill so to me the extra weight was really moot.
flag tyflymtb
Posted: Jun 6, 2022 at 16:12 Quote
Anyone running a 2019-2021 super deluxe ultimate coil on their enduro? Hoping to get some setting advice

 


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