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nouser
(Sep 23, 2008 at 6:00)
too complicated!
- 33 9
no its not. the nicolai mpire uses that same thing its not that complicated if you look at it for a sec...
- 14 8
pretty much all that happens is the force from landing pulls the link on the bottom down compressing the shock. Looks complicated but its no worse than a demo
- 32 10
It's complicated in the way that it's got a dozen extra linkages to add weight to the frame, for NO reason.
- 8 17
Uh no it doesnt lol there is 4 link plates. Its a super simple design and in no way at all is this complicated.
- 17 16
I understand the suspension. And yes, it's mechanically simple. What I'm getting at, is it's needlessly complicating something as simple as a single pivot.
- 17 5
And this is single pivot, just with activated linkages. The ONLY reason linkages like this would be employed is to change shock ratios, spring rates, center of gravity, and so on. This design is STILL as inefficient as any other single pivot. That's what I was getting at by saying it was overly complicated. From a mechanical standpoint, the suspension is obvious. No, you're not a genius because you figured out how it works, ANYONE can see how it works. It's complicated in the manner of added linkages without any real benefit. Understand what I mean yet?
- 3 6
Too bad that it does not have an ISCG or ISCG-05, this is the only thing that is wrong with the frame
- 14 1
Not true at all, Mountainbiker4eva. More linkage means more friction between links, bearings, and so on. Leverage is arguable, but you don't need -that- many links to get a decent leverage ratio.
- 4 0
Those links near the top of the seat post seem pointless to me. Sure they have a reason to be there, but to me seem nearly pointless. It looks like the rear triangle is connected at the bottom in the way of a single pivot, so why have the links above? I understand the links below however.
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yup, they keep the to of the swing-arm from twisting and creating an inconsistent wheel path, among other things. check out foes, all of their bikes have the torsion link.
- 4 0
Not in the least. Notice how there's only one pivot connecting the main frame and the rear axle? That's the one that influences the wheel path, the braking dynamics, and the pedaling feedback.
- 2 1
there is no point to this craziness. it's just a manufacturers attempt to stand out from the crowd... it's so unneccessary.
- 2 3
i dot understand why everyone is calling this crazy
its been done before
and its not even crazy
its a nice looking frame
and i personally would ride it
- 3 0
This is a stupid design that will increase the weight, and lower the smoothness of the suspension's efficiency. All those linkages mean mechanical loss. It doesn't matter how many bearings you are using, they all make things work harder this or that way.
Also that last linkage that's connected to the shock doesnt seem very stiff. Remember some old sinky's shock rockers snapping?
Btw single pivots are good, unless you are using your brakes all the time.
Also that last linkage that's connected to the shock doesnt seem very stiff. Remember some old sinky's shock rockers snapping?
Btw single pivots are good, unless you are using your brakes all the time.
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Whats the point in that top bit of linkage? I mean seriously? They could have just re-designed the swingarm to look something like the Tomac Primer if theres an issue with lateral rigidity. Would look uber with a Tomac style swingarm too 
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ha ha ha. Im pretty sure there's a design flaw...anybody who's anybody knows that 90 degree angles are weak and im not sure but i believe that the upper part of the "swingarm" or link on this bike has a 90 degree angle, welded together with a bolt between the two attached to a link...im not a genius but i know it'll snap if this is the case
- 1 1
International Standard Chain Guide mounts, they're the bolt holes around the BB that hold chain guides on. Every bike over 4" should have one IMO.
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ISCG has nothing to do with how much travel a bike has!! its just a way of stopping the chain device from sliding round every time you hit it, and not every dh bike has one its just common sence to have them as in DH you hit the chain device of crap every 5 seconds
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yeah ive seen some bash gaurds now
which dont need them to be mounted
but i think i would want them