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  • 7414
 too complicated!
  • 339
 no its not. the nicolai mpire uses that same thing its not that complicated if you look at it for a sec...
  • 148
 pretty much all that happens is the force from landing pulls the link on the bottom down compressing the shock. Looks complicated but its no worse than a demo
  • 3210
 It's complicated in the way that it's got a dozen extra linkages to add weight to the frame, for NO reason.
  • 817
flag gnarkore (Sep 25, 2008 at 13:56) (Below Threshold)
 Uh no it doesnt lol there is 4 link plates. Its a super simple design and in no way at all is this complicated.
  • 1716
 I understand the suspension. And yes, it's mechanically simple. What I'm getting at, is it's needlessly complicating something as simple as a single pivot.
  • 616
flag nouser (Sep 25, 2008 at 20:52) (Below Threshold)
 not complicated but just adding on more links more things to go wrong
  • 1012
 I think you missed the point of what I said. Oh well.
  • 929
flag gnarkore (Sep 25, 2008 at 21:40) (Below Threshold)
 yes but single pivot is a bad and very unefficient design.
  • 175
 And this is single pivot, just with activated linkages. The ONLY reason linkages like this would be employed is to change shock ratios, spring rates, center of gravity, and so on. This design is STILL as inefficient as any other single pivot. That's what I was getting at by saying it was overly complicated. From a mechanical standpoint, the suspension is obvious. No, you're not a genius because you figured out how it works, ANYONE can see how it works. It's complicated in the manner of added linkages without any real benefit. Understand what I mean yet?
  • 36
 Too bad that it does not have an ISCG or ISCG-05, this is the only thing that is wrong with the frame
  • 113
flag mountainbiker4eva (Oct 20, 2008 at 21:54) (Below Threshold)
 more linkage= better and smoother leverage
  • 05
flag gnarkore (Oct 21, 2008 at 0:40) (Below Threshold)
 lol nicolai, thats an example of your wrong
  • 141
 Not true at all, Mountainbiker4eva. More linkage means more friction between links, bearings, and so on. Leverage is arguable, but you don't need -that- many links to get a decent leverage ratio.
  • 41
 dude, you're good
  • 71
 Its just a selling point isnt it..
  • 00
 www.pinkbike.com/photo/2326685
same frame idea
  • 40
 Those links near the top of the seat post seem pointless to me. Sure they have a reason to be there, but to me seem nearly pointless. It looks like the rear triangle is connected at the bottom in the way of a single pivot, so why have the links above? I understand the links below however.
  • 40
 Probably to try and keep it stiff.
  • 10
 yup, they keep the to of the swing-arm from twisting and creating an inconsistent wheel path, among other things. check out foes, all of their bikes have the torsion link.
  • 31
 you're really far away form the single pivot.
  • 01
 from*
  • 40
 Not in the least. Notice how there's only one pivot connecting the main frame and the rear axle? That's the one that influences the wheel path, the braking dynamics, and the pedaling feedback.
  • 21
 there is no point to this craziness. it's just a manufacturers attempt to stand out from the crowd... it's so unneccessary.
  • 23
 i dot understand why everyone is calling this crazy its been done before and its not even crazy its a nice looking frame and i personally would ride it
  • 30
 This is a stupid design that will increase the weight, and lower the smoothness of the suspension's efficiency. All those linkages mean mechanical loss. It doesn't matter how many bearings you are using, they all make things work harder this or that way.
Also that last linkage that's connected to the shock doesnt seem very stiff. Remember some old sinky's shock rockers snapping?
Btw single pivots are good, unless you are using your brakes all the time.
  • 20
 well put! ^^ single pivots are the way to go, just make sure to have a floating brake arm Big Grin
  • 10
 That is also one humongous allen wrench size on one of the pivits
  • 10
 that thing is outrageously complicated!
  • 10
 Whats the point in that top bit of linkage? I mean seriously? They could have just re-designed the swingarm to look something like the Tomac Primer if theres an issue with lateral rigidity. Would look uber with a Tomac style swingarm too Wink
  • 10
 it makes sense after you look at it for a good 5 mins, but those pivots on teh bottom would be screaming in pain due to major stress in them and suspect broken parts mabe, thats my opinion...not the most inovative designs
  • 92
 Thats one of the most complicated single pivot designs I've ever seen. lol
  • 12
 The same here, but nice frame!
  • 10
 ha ha ha. Im pretty sure there's a design flaw...anybody who's anybody knows that 90 degree angles are weak and im not sure but i believe that the upper part of the "swingarm" or link on this bike has a 90 degree angle, welded together with a bolt between the two attached to a link...im not a genius but i know it'll snap if this is the case
  • 00
 this design is like the FELT virtue-link... trust me - I have ridden both! and they feel so similar it's just wrong... like my ram... only better... keeps the bob to a minimum... it's sick
  • 21
 it hurts ur eyes trying to find out how it works when you get it its sweet
  • 11
 it looks like a class project bike with way too many linkages thats just my opinion but if it ride like a champ then who really gives a damn
  • 31
 sexy bike... can we stop complaining about the link. Its gorgeous
  • 00
 no it's not, it's a clusterphuck
  • 10
 sorry but to me it looks to complex, awsome frame though, loving the colours Razz
  • 00
 its beefed up on the front triangle, but then the chainstays look quite thin- but lush frame that only i an dream of Big Grin
  • 10
 alot of money will have to go in to replacing those bearings
  • 10
 I see hard time spent in cleaning this concept after ride session
  • 10
 40mm allen key anyone? LOL
  • 10
 your mom's a 40mm allen key!
  • 10
 troche skomplikowane i zdaje sie ze latwo mozna cos uszkodzic ;p
  • 32
 yeah looks nice tho !
  • 11
 looks like a dh bike, but has a QR????
  • 11
 and no ISCG either?
  • 10
 noob question i know
but whuts ISCG?
  • 11
 International Standard Chain Guide mounts, they're the bolt holes around the BB that hold chain guides on. Every bike over 4" should have one IMO.
  • 10
 that makes sence i think on this bike it would be hard to fit them
  • 00
 yup, too bad
  • 21
 ISCG has nothing to do with how much travel a bike has!! its just a way of stopping the chain device from sliding round every time you hit it, and not every dh bike has one its just common sence to have them as in DH you hit the chain device of crap every 5 seconds
  • 10
 yeah ive seen some bash gaurds now which dont need them to be mounted but i think i would want them
  • 10
 I know it has nothing to do with travel, I was basically saying every bike excpet XC bikes should have them now, for either chainguides or Hammerschmidt.
  • 10
 Beautiful!
  • 12
 It's like a Rube Goldberg machine with very little payoff. Jesus is a myth!
  • 00
 look heavy whit all the 200 pivot point ... btw nice frame
  • 00
 i want one...............
  • 00
 who cares if its compilcated its super sick i would take it any day
  • 00
 Links is too messy, looks weird... :/
  • 10
 how much dos it way
  • 10
 6540???
  • 23
 it's seems the nicolai lambda but nicolai is really better!
  • 11
 mpire guy..
  • 00
 oh yes sorry...i've done a mistake hehe...lambda 4 sure!
  • 10
 m pire...
  • 11
 it looks sorta weak....
  • 00
 definitely, this thing will not hold up
  • 00
 WHERE CAN I BUY ONE??!!
  • 01
 non-sensical all the way - just my opinion
  • 00
 wow how does that work?
  • 00
 hhaa. Now thats a good question dude. However its a beefy frame.. with skiny swing arm
  • 24
 That bottom linkage is too exposed.
  • 23
 yeah thats what i was thinking
  • 11
 and i love how the smallest bolt there holds th shock on!
  • 01
 in the us
  • 14
 that linkage design got a name?
  • 12
 check out the websitehttp://www.macmahone.com australian bicycle design (love affair)
  • 02
 nice frame







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