bigbrett

The answer is adjustable so the mfg does t need to make the choice for you

@jeff-lenosky: if the XXL steezl had 465+ RC, I’d buy one in a heartbeat.

@hamncheez: I have so many thoughts on this lol. Quick answer is BMX bars typically aren’t wide enough. I’ve thought about having custom ones made, but with a regular stem bar roll becomes extremely extremely touchy to get right and typically ends up having the same effect as using way too long of a stem from a steering dynamics perspective, unless you match the bar roll with your head angle, which also feels crappy if you have any back sweep in that tall of a bar. This one’s probably a better conversation for the vital geometry thread haha

@als802: this. I’m 6’6” and was doing the high rise bars thing before it was cool (/s). I run 80mm rise bars on the new short 20mm rise hope gravity stem on top of an uncut steer tube. In looks INSANE. But my saddle still is taller than my bars when I pop my dropper for climbing, and the bar height still puts the grip height below my belly button! I ask some friends with normal setups on size M or L bikes to compare and their handlebars are almost in the exact same spot relative to their body, and usually even HIGHER compared to a climbing saddle position. Just goes to show bodies scale in different ways and taller people need to get clever to even make it close to the same as what others get, let alone to start pushing boundaries for the sake of feel/performance like the Aon does (pretty sure nobody on that team is crazy tall)

That’s weird. The evo model is max weight of 290 though. I wonder if it’s a typo? Or maybe the pro is a more delicate mechanism? 3 positions is plenty imo

@AndrewCuretonrlD: yeah point taken but just think they should skew proportionally higher tho. Did some back of the envelope math just to ballpark and it seems that the BB height of this would be lower at sag than my “super enduro” bike. And same deal (even more so) with the Reya and spur.

@souknaysh: maybe I’m being daft but that shouldn’t necessarily mean that it needs a lower static BB height?

Love most of this bike (other than the price ofc) but: “ A 342mm bottom bracket height is common across the board as well, sitting lower than the LT, as you'd expect of a shorter-travel bike.” WHY!!!!?!?!?? Why are shorter travel bikes getting lower BBs!?!? I want my tiny bike to prioritize technical climbing more than the long travel counterparts, and this includes being able to tackle impossible climbs. I rly hope if they do a ST version the BB is higher. I was so unbelievably pumped for the Forbidden Reya but that BB is so damn low. I love the balanced FR/RC trend but HATE that these shorter travel bikes are getting ground scraping BBs just to try and eke 5% better descending performance, at the expense of the whole point of the damn bike (IMO). I know this bike isn’t a short travel bike, but using this as a channel to vent after reading the quoted statement above. Fight me.

I’ve found the more spacers you are running, the more I like a shorter stem, even if it pushes the “effective reach” shorter than I thought I’d be comfortable with. Steers a bit better. But not a huge diffference. Just being upright and confident is a much larger effect than the whole distance to the steering axis thing.

This overlooks the fact that longer stays (I should probably say, proportional, as they don’t need to increase in all sizes) and longer wheelbases have a significant benefit though, but do require some cockpit adjustment to avoid some of the drawbacks. Hence the myth that long CS bikes are dead and only plow machines. So another way to look at it would be that this allows you to unlock the benefits of these new tweaks without any compromises, making it perform all around better than a shorter CS and reach bike. More specifically, it allows you to have an upright moto or ski style body position, such that you can react better to the terrain and be more confident in wicked steeps while still maintaining tons of front wheel grip and not feeling like the bike is pitching you forward. If you wanted the same body position on a bike with less proportional stays, it would ride like shit. So taller people are forced to have a lower stack then have to override the shit out of the front wheel just to have any grip. Plus the steering dynamics are ever so slightly nicer at a given bar setup but that is a bit overblown IMO not a huge deal, getting used to a longer/shorter stem with bars held constant is usually pretty easy. But the weight distribution and body position benefits are massive.