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@nicoenduro: It actually weights at the top of the class. An HD6 (an HDS6!) weights weights more than half a pound lighter when you take into account the shock. Point is however a general one: yes, carbon frames have gained at least 2 pounds in just the last 5 years. A gain driven but nothing else than avoiding a handful of warranty claims

@Chondog94: A bit naive? Companies have been able to convince consumers that riding motor-cycles is the evolution of cycling. An incredible slight of hands! And in general companies make up stories to convince consumers that imaginary "improvements" are necessary. For example a front 32". Something that maybe gives advantages measured in fractions of seconds, but it is totally irrelevant for somebody not racing at very top level of the pro field. Companies want to sell, and they'll do anything they can to convince consumers to buy new stuff.

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Can't agree more ... curious to see the frame weight on this.

I am still riding my IBIS HD3, now a Mullet, with a front Formula selva coil, DVO shock, XT/XTR/e-thirteen drivetrain, XTR four piston brake front, 2 piston rear, Revive seat post, porky SQ-lab 60X saddle. And it is 28.5 pounds. Medium HD3 frame with shock is 6.1 pounds. @frontrangefriend: There is no "modern" riding. Frames have gained two pounds in the last ten years simply to avoid any warranty claim. There is no functional gain of any sort. The weight of current carbon frames is the same of aluminum bikes from less than a decade ago ... at more than twice the price.

@nicoenduro: Yes, it includes the shock but an 8 pounds frame with shock used to be downhill territory. The Offering is heavier than an Ibis HD6! Why bother? Get the Ibis! (And i really doubt that a bike that moves "quickly through what feels like the first 50% of the stroke" and weights 34 pounds can climb in a "superb" manner. How can that happen? Magic?)

$4,000 for an 8 pounds and change frame? It is getting close to the weight of a steel bike! No thank you.

The most interesting new offering from Vivo is the Linear shifter, that has received a very positive review from the Radavist https://theradavist.com/vivo-xc-air-derailleur-and-linear-shifter-review. Somehow it is summarily dismissed here, who knows .. But if one for some reason does not want to use a Vivo shifter, there are two, a SRAM shifter is not a choice but a necessity. The Vivo derailleur is not compatible with Shimano. Having said that, the Vivo looks great, but you can get a full Shimano XTR for a good chunk less then half the cost, and grab the most price-sensible choice, XTR pods/XT derailleur, with a bit of google search at around $200.

@JarrodB: They did the maath wrong ... they probably think 180 cm is 6'+

.. this is the industry that was able to fool buyers into believing that "motor"cycles, aka e-MTB, are actually bicycles. Selling a 32" seems a much simpler proposition. "Bigger is better" and you are done.