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@danielstutt: It's the same in Canada, we're shipping plastic waste to Malaysia and all over the world. Sounds like a cool brewery, examples like that are what we need!

@danielstutt: Totally hear you, perfect solutions are hard to come by. I agree that if they're taking all that time to really pour their efforts into developing an ideal solution then it's time well spent; problem for me is, they don't mention that in their goals. Aiming to include 25% recycled material, and reducing plastic packaging by 10% feels more like a talking point than actually looking at the problem and coming up with a viable solution. I can't speak to their existing commitments for packaging, maybe that's a factor, but I feel that a company that generates upwards of a billion dollars in revenue (quick google, no citation but call it a ballpark number) probably has some negotiating power there. There is no good solution involving plastic. It doesn't get recycled. It takes a shit ton of energy to produce, so that's not something that can be used as a "pro". They can educate all they want about recycling but the facts point to it ending up in the ocean or at best a landfill, never breaking down. https://www.oecd.org/environment/waste/policy-highlights-improving-plastics-management.pdf I appreciate that you're working in sustainable packaging for fashion, that's another huge problem and kudos to you for being involved! Sounds like I'm preaching to the choir here and you're just trying to provide some context so again thanks for that. Clif is a company that prides themselves on sourcing organic ingredients and pushing a sustainable angle, so it just feels like they should be doing more here if they want to be a leader in the space. You & I can talk about alternative options til the cows come home, but my point is that it should be their job to provide better solutions in a more timely manner given the problems at hand and their contribution to those problems. They have the resources to do it, so why not ask/expect more from them?

I'll be "that guy" here....it's great that Clif wants to make some changes to their packaging, but setting these targets for 2025 feels like they're paying lip service to the problem. It's been made pretty clear that recycling isn't the answer, and plenty of companies use compostable packaging already. Why not address this immediately and with actual solutions if you care about it?