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justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 19, 2018 at 14:05
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Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@fartymarty: I do wish I had an extensive bipolar pinkbike profile but I'm afraid I don't contradict myself every other sentence.
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 19, 2018 at 6:08
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Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@fartymarty: I have never read so much contradiction and confusion in anyone else's posts.
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 18, 2018 at 23:01
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Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@fartymarty: I have made my opinion, won't bother boring on but at least my points are factually correct - I think when you start comparing reach to saddle-bar measurement it's impossible to take your arguments seriously, they are entirely irrelevant when used in the same context, unless we all ride push bikes sat down 100% of the time that is, and even then, it would still need to be a separate concern.
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 18, 2018 at 10:01
2 days
Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@SintraFreeride: I think it's more likely you were implying jack was on some super radical geometron based DH bike when in fact this isn't true - even when riders have the option to run super slack and long they don't do it.
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 18, 2018 at 6:48
2 days
Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@SintraFreeride: jack readings geo isn't that mad at all though and much shorter than the geometron, that's right he runs a headset to further shorten geometry - take a look: https://dirtmountainbike.com/gear/bike-reviews/downhill-bikes/matter-fit-nicolai-g19/
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 18, 2018 at 6:39
2 days
Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@fartymarty: But minnaars bike isn't super long / slack though. His bike has a 475-482 reach, 64ish head angle - its bang within 'normal' on the circuit when his height at 6ft 3 is taken into account. As I said above, the 'go longer and slacker' thing has been done over the past few years and almost converged now, DH bikes +-1 degree from 63 head angle and 640+- 5mm or so medium reach. The big brand geometry is no longer conservative (your sucking up that conspiracy again there) as my giant example above stated, many are bringing XL models out with just short of 500mm reach. Cesars point and one I agree with are bikes that diverge a great deal from from the current norm, which is now both slack and long compared to only a few years ago don't win races, not because of a worldwide conspiracy on bike geo but because they are then not the most suitable. You seriously think average joe at about 5ft 11 should be on a 500mm reach 62deg head angle enduro bike? Minnaar disagrees.
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 17, 2018 at 4:47
Aug 17, 2018
Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@CM999: this is almost becoming some kind of conspiracy in the industry, that large manufacturers are somehow behind the curve of these smaller brands, scared or just 'don't get it'. Listen to Cesar himself here contradict this , mondraker allowed him to experiment, how else did forward geo come about?! other brands allow engineers to do this too, you also notice riders / racers using pre-production bikes which at the point of manufacture have the ability to be made with geometry of choice within reason, but yet none of these bikes have huge reach figures or mental head angles, do they? Is this a conspiracy of some kind or is it somehow these smaller companies are run by genius minds that are well ahead of the curve? Highly unlikely. What we are forgetting is that geometry has already gone through that huge shift - bikes are all much longer than just a few years ago, look at a modern specialized or giant, the reign has a 455mm reach medium and 64.5 head angle, that is a huge shift from the previous 'norm' and slacker and longer than the bike the WC giant riders used a few seasons ago (which is why they stuffed them with angle headset and ran one size up) The reason nobody is winning on super slack, super long bikes is because normal bikes are now already slack and long, going further for the sake of niche is counter productive and the results speak for themselves, though I'm sure a conspiracy is a better explaination.
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 16, 2018 at 23:31
Aug 16, 2018
Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@jaydubmah: it's always interesting to see where things go in the industry and if bikes get better for it then all the better - bikes have never been so good, especially 'enduro' type machines. We will have to agree to disagree on geometry changing in a huge way from this point onwards, congrats on the pole purchase thoigh, I think the construction is lovely, CNC is part of my job so I appreciate the work that has gone into it - it does explain your defence of the geo somewhat though ;-) - enjoy it, I'm sure it rides amazingly well.
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 16, 2018 at 15:23
Aug 16, 2018
Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@WAKIdesigns: I honestly think pole lost custom because of all of that bullshit, Sick on the on the other hand use personality to help sell product, I agree Jordan is a great salesman, it helps makes the company what it is, the only reason I mentioned them is he took the Cesars comments personally and threw disparaging comments back his way when nothing was aimed at people like them. (Ultra niche)
justanotherusername downtimepodcast's article
Aug 16, 2018 at 13:47
Aug 16, 2018
Unno Bikes Creator Cesar Rojo on The Downtime Podcast
@jaydubmah: I think his point is that most, if not all DH and enduro bikes converge around a certain point, of course they differ as you say by a degree here or there from the average and people are adjusting reach by a few mm but there is nobody doing well on a bike that dramatically differs from the average, there are no 62 degree 500mm reach enduro bikes being ridden to high places at the EWS for example. In terms of geometry evolving of course this will happen but I think we are now at the fine-tune stage, head angle numbers haven't really changed for years now in DH and we are now tweaking fork offset and adjusting front to rear weight bias with chainstay length to head angle correlation but no drastic numbers. The only guys pushing super 'out there' geometry don't have data or results to back them up, it's almost a USP for the brand more than anything - I'm not sure if I personally count porter in with that though as he offers various reach and angle options (though his head angle options are pretty extreme) and he does understand the need for balance in a bikes geometry.
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