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@phops: I'm saying that tortional flex of the frame isn't the desired trait when using steel as your material, vibration damping is what makes it feel comfortable. Tube diameters and thicknesses change between materials so you can theoretically build a steel frame that is just as tortionally stiff but has better vibration damping characteristics than an aluminum equivalent. From Google AI: Vibration damping and flex are related but distinct concepts. Vibration damping refers to the dissipation of vibration energy, while flex refers to the degree of bending or deformation a material can withstand without permanent damage. In essence, damping reduces the amplitude of vibrations, while flex allows for movement or give in a material. PS. The reason *some* carbon parts don't damp vibrations is because they weren't engineered too. The stiffness of a carbon layup comes down to how many layers your stack is as well as the weave and orientation of the fibers.

@phops: Everyone thinks flex when it comes to steel vs aluminum but for me it's the vibration dampening that makes things comfortable. Ever ride a steel vs aluminum DJ? The comfort difference is very noticeable IMO and flex is never an issue.

@LucaP: Get an ad blocker and stop complaining about free content.

As a 5'5" tall guy I could get behind this one! I may have to get into XC racing...

@PeakHopper: I mean, the tubes are pretty rad with that facetted look IMO but the full commitment to sheet metal is just too much. If the front of that swingarm was made of a couple machined parts welded together this bike could be quite the looker, but for once in a good way for Orange.

@CM999: I'm not going to pay but I still plan to watch...

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I was so excited to see that we could listen to Levy talk sh*t again but got a bit bummed when I realized it was on a road/gravel site...

@74NZ: That gearbox bike is going to cost more than the A200... This complete bike starts out at $5K which is fairly cheap for a fully CNC'd frame. They will definitely be selling far more of these than the gearbox bike. I'd release this one first too.