RockShox Vivid Air and Coil Prototypes - Pietermaritzburg World Cup

Mar 14, 2012 at 12:42
Mar 14, 2012
by Mike Levy
 
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RockShox's BlackBox racing program serves as a development tool to test products on the race course, allowing them to provide their top level athletes with the latest technology that is likely still a ways off from being available to the consumer. It isn't uncommon to see sponsored BlackBox riders running components that you may have never spotted before, and that is exactly the case with the two prototype Vivid shocks, one air sprung and one coil sprung, that are being tested between the tape this weekend at the Pietermaritzburg World Cup.

Rock Shox Blackbox boss Jon Cancellier gives us a sneak peak at Troy Brosnan s Vivid Air prototype featuring compression rebound and rebound end stroke adjustments as well as a volume adjuster.
RockShox BlackBox boss Jon Cancellier holds up Monster Energy / Specialized team rider Troy Brosnan's Vivid Air prototype. There is a new volume adjustment dial on the piggy back, but our sources also tell us that both air and coil BlackBox Vivids feature heavily reworked internals.

Many RockShox sponsored riders are likely to be running the lighter and more tuneable Vivid Air shock on the relatively smooth and pedal-heavy Pietermaritzburg track, but only a lucky few select BlackBox racing program members will be allowed to use the prototype shock shown above. The most obvious update is the additional dial at the end of the shock's piggy back that likely serves to adjust the volume of the chamber, thereby allowing riders to tune the shock to be more linear or progressive. It isn't entirely clear from the photo if RockShox also allows a shock pump to be fitted to make further alterations, but we'd be surprised if this is the case. It also appears to now feature a proper dial for the ending stroke rebound adjuster, no longer requiring a hex key to make changes.

Prototype Rock Shox Vivid shock with new adjustments.
The coil sprung BlackBox Vivid also features the new volume adjustment dial that adds another tuning option, as well as changes to its top out spring assembly.

RockShox tactfully dodged most of our questions about the two new shocks, simply stating that Hill and other BlackBox riders have played key roles in the the shock's tuning. Having said that, we have solid information that significant changes have been made to the internals of both, including a completely altered top out assembly. Why does that matter? The top out spring can also be utilized as a negative spring, helping to push the shock into its travel ever so slightly at the top of the stroke. Many of RockShox's air sprung forks feature adjustable negative pressure for this very reason, allowing the suspension action to be either more supple or slightly firmer at the top of its stroke. While the negative springs on both of the prototype Vivid shocks don't look to be adjustable, we can only assume that the internal changes have been done to further increase suppleness, an especially important trait on any air spring shock.


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59 Comments

  • + 57
flag the-mountainbart-experience (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:52)
 I love all this yummy hype about all the prototype stuff!!!!
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flag johnny-compton (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:20)
 i hope these do come into consumer availability as they look like they've had quite a revamp in terms of how the perform and adjust
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flag fantaman (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:22)
 The way the adjustments knobs are located reminds me of a Motocross shock,this could be handy for the more complex frame designs.
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flag sam-rodda (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:56)
 Bit nicer than the usual rebound positioning.
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flag mikeonetray13 (Mar 14, 2012 at 14:02)
 yeah on some frames u have to stick your fingers in and click it one at a time
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flag freelifenride (Mar 14, 2012 at 15:24)
 pretty impossible on my demo, have no choice but to use an allen key
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flag lumberjerk (Mar 14, 2012 at 16:15)
 yes, all of you, please go out and buy new shiny things so I can upgrade my old less shiny things! Except I really want the vivid air Frown
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flag Mitchelf (Mar 15, 2012 at 20:22)
 God I still barely know how to adjust old shock adjusments little lone all this new fancy stuff, but you gota love these prototypes
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flag ldanielkq (Mar 14, 2012 at 18:07)
 I can't help but to notice. It seems like there is another small ring knob under the main black ones and there's a chance it might be an R2C2 and it might be similar to the CCDB, with all the controls up on the resevoir side.
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flag vi5a (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:09)
 The Vivid Air is a monster of a shock. It really does feel like holding a big Monster drink in your hands.
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flag Waldon83 (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:50)
 Feels like something else I hold in my hands that's big and performs well.
  • + 2
flag Lehel-NS (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:53)
 ^ if you know what I mean.
  • + 1
flag mountguitars (Mar 14, 2012 at 18:37)
 i saw what you did there!
  • + 6
flag finnrambo (Mar 14, 2012 at 20:32)
 @waldon83 VITAMIN WATER!
  • + 1
flag RaleighVoid (Mar 15, 2012 at 4:42)
 ummm, chainsaw? lol
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flag tacubaya (Mar 14, 2012 at 22:32)
 Top out spring assembly on a coil shock.... wtf is that? Top out is reduced or eliminated on a coil shock using a tear shaped "dent" on the rebound bleed port, so I don't know what the hell these guys are claiming.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 15, 2012 at 1:01)
 I just wonder why did RS bother releasing Vivid Air two years ago if at this moment they have already nearly completely changed it inside out. I guess they just wanted to be the first, knowing other work on similar stuff as well.
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flag bryantaber (Mar 15, 2012 at 5:00)
 Money... My guess is they are probably working out the bugs of the THIRD generation of the Vivair now as we speak , to adress all the flaws they know exist with this year's Vivair 2nd Gen . Don't worry that one will be available in the Spring of 2014. It's all designed to remove everyday MTBers from an extra week's paycheck. Honestly, though, this is why I didnt jump on the 1st gen Vivair when it came out in 2010. You just knew they were gonna right back with a redesign. From what Ive heard of the guys who have the 1st gen, they love it!! However the 1st gen doesnt save that much weight. It weighs slightly less than a RC4 with a TI spring.
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flag KawaKX (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:01)
 it was the only thing that miss on both vivid, volume adjustement! Now they did it! Can't wait to test it!
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flag toptenrick (Mar 14, 2012 at 14:18)
 Wow E wow wow ! Gota like the new year ! New new new never changes like me the rider since 1987 ! I love the race gear its my passion ! Peace p.s. Anybody know if freecaster is streaming the world cup this weekend ? Iam heading to Sqampton this weekend so need a the time within a hour to get the guyz around the boob tube ! Peace and RIDE hard or RIDE home alone !
  • + 1
flag Fothergilla (Mar 14, 2012 at 16:48)
 'Only a few selected riders will be running the prototype' they're only sponsoring about three people this year anyway!
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flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 15, 2012 at 1:11)
 Yea maybe the stuff will get cheaper thanks to that!
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flag bryantaber (Mar 15, 2012 at 14:59)
 Nor more freecaster.....now it's carried at redbull.com
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flag HardingO (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:43)
 Both look amazing!!

But danny hart's proto looks like it has a DLC coating? www.southerndownhill.com/images/stories/Video/Sram/giant-glory-2012.jpg
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flag mtbfraser (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:00)
 that looks like a standard anodized coating?
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flag HardingO (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:02)
 Yeah the ones on this article do, but the black one on the link?
  • + 3
flag Primoz (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:15)
 What black one? If you mean the forks, yes. If you mean the shock, check your eyesight.
  • + 0
flag fantaman (Mar 14, 2012 at 15:43)
 ^ Facepalm
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flag HardingO (Mar 14, 2012 at 15:59)
 I'm sorry Redface Frown
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flag fantaman (Mar 14, 2012 at 16:15)
 I was talking to Primoz not you,yes that is a DLC shaft on Harts Vivid.
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flag HardingO (Mar 14, 2012 at 16:16)
 Ooooh, mwaahha thought it was!
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flag robolo38 (Mar 14, 2012 at 14:17)
 what does that small print say (not into small print usauly meen warrenty is voided)
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flag Sam3897 (Mar 14, 2012 at 15:09)
 how much is it going to be?
  • + 0
flag Daire (Mar 14, 2012 at 16:36)
 I presume your joking right?
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flag krisrayner (Mar 14, 2012 at 14:19)
 Looks like he's an avid mustache fan.
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  • + 2
flag galliwasp (Mar 14, 2012 at 19:20)
 "RockShox BlackBox boss..." Say that fast a bunch o' times.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 15, 2012 at 1:03)
 Yea I've just been to the bathroom, said it 5 times in front of the mirror and the blurry vision of John Cancellier appeared, telling me to STFU!
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flag abonativ10 (Mar 14, 2012 at 17:19)
 any one know if they are gonna ever be out to the rest of us or just pros ?
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flag stinky-d-lux (Mar 14, 2012 at 18:52)
 I think that he's holding that shock In a strategic way, just a hunch.
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flag shredstatus (Mar 14, 2012 at 20:20)
 Im going to be honest, the old vivid air looked way sicker. Kind of bummed here!
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flag ZIMTSTERN (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:47)
 Rad Shocks! Think were goin to see a lot more Products this Season! But cool Shocks though!
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flag LlewVerge (Mar 30, 2012 at 17:26)
 when will this be on the market??
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flag trailstar2danman (Mar 15, 2012 at 15:49)
 nice, let the races begin.
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flag superbikes (Mar 15, 2012 at 5:10)
 Remember when you was young and you would make a small circle with on hand while pushing your finger in and out of the circle these shocks are the same thing lol .
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flag poka28 (Mar 14, 2012 at 23:41)
 this product is fantasticSmile i bought half a dozen!!
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flag andreDHlive (Mar 14, 2012 at 17:40)
 it is just me or it has a bigger eyelet?
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flag bigb73 (Mar 14, 2012 at 16:31)
 Great!! Now I have a old Vivid Air.
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flag bobby-owen (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:00)
 looks like a grenade of sorts
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flag Primoz (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:16)
 Okay, Pinkbike, your sources tell you it has completely reworked internals? What about the completely new position of the compression and rebound dials on the body to piggy bridge? Isn't that a significantly big hint to a completely (damping circuit wise) reworked shock?
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  • + 1
flag OswestSte (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:25)
 P.S forgot to mention both do look the BUSINESS tough.
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  • + 1
flag keezy177 (Mar 14, 2012 at 15:51)
 Looks like a sweet new shock. I want
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  • + 1
flag y9pema (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:55)
 RS for life bishes!
  • + 5
flag cyrix (Mar 14, 2012 at 13:04)
 It's okay. You're allowed to swear here.
  • + 4
flag Drood Plus (Mar 14, 2012 at 16:39)
 Lisp maybe?
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flag enrico650 (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:56)
 Looks Good!
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flag TheLongMan (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:48)
 I love this thing!
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flag WetTheBed (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:41)
 Very Nice!
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flag k2dan (Mar 14, 2012 at 12:48)
 looking good
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