Enduro/AM - The Weight Game

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Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 10:13 Quote
swan3609 wrote:
ajax-ripper wrote:
ninjatarian wrote:
So I swapped my 750mm bars from my old bike to my new bike, and they suddenly feel slightly narrow. Anyone else feel the need to run wider bars with a 29er?

According to Lee McCormacks calculation, 750mm is correct for my height.
Yea f*ck that calculation, i think arm length and shoulder width matter far more then your height. I'm about 6' tall but my arm spam is closer to 6"3' I find anything under 780 feels narrow and uncomfortable.

Yep.. 6'2 and 6'5 arm span.. Anything under 800 is almost unridable to me.
You both realize that the calculation puts your bar width at over 800mm right? That would but Ajax at about 805 and swan at 827.

I agree the calculation is a bit weird, but if you take into account his recommendation is between that .44xheight number and 5% less than that then it's not too bad. That would make it:

Ajax: 764-805
Swan: 786-827

Again I think the calculation oversimplifies it and I don't agree with the method, but keep in mind it doesn't contradict the numbers you just gave, especially if it's treated only as a starting point.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 10:17 Quote
I really dislike anything over 780mm, typically run 750-760mm bars and that calculation says I should be running 800mm.

seraph wrote:
I had 760s on my 5010 and they felt good, but with 29x2.6" tires and a 150mm fork on my Stumpy, the 780s feel a lot better.
How'd you like the 5010? Got a friend getting rid of a new 5010 frame he never built and I can get it super cheap, been thinking of swapping out from the Bronson.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 10:23 Quote
badbadleroybrown wrote:
I really dislike anything over 780mm, typically run 750-760mm bars and that calculation says I should be running 800mm.

seraph wrote:
I had 760s on my 5010 and they felt good, but with 29x2.6" tires and a 150mm fork on my Stumpy, the 780s feel a lot better.
How'd you like the 5010? Got a friend getting rid of a new 5010 frame he never built and I can get it super cheap, been thinking of swapping out from the Bronson.

I haven't ridden a Bronson, but the 5010 is pretty snappy with only 130mm out back. I ran a 140mm fork and it felt very capable. Considering the 5010 is like the mini Bronson, I expect it to handle similarly while feeling a little more maneuverable.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 10:26 Quote
I’m 5’11 and widish shoulders and I am running my bars at 810. I loose 5mm from my grips on either side so realistically 800.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 11:03 Quote
I'm 5'10" and ran 760 for along time and switched to 800 with intention to cut it down but I felt so comfortable on them so I've stuck with 800 for the last few years. Do have 780 on one bike and they feel good but prefer 800. That calculation puts me at 780

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 11:38 Quote
ktm87 wrote:
I'm 5'10" and ran 760 for along time and switched to 800 with intention to cut it down but I felt so comfortable on them so I've stuck with 800 for the last few years. Do have 780 on one bike and they feel good but prefer 800. That calculation puts me at 780

I'm same height, but 780 and bigger feels unwieldy. 760 is my sweet spot.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 12:39 Quote
760 is perfect. Maybe 750.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 12:42 Quote
badbadleroybrown wrote:
I really dislike anything over 780mm, typically run 750-760mm bars and that calculation says I should be running 800mm.

seraph wrote:
I had 760s on my 5010 and they felt good, but with 29x2.6" tires and a 150mm fork on my Stumpy, the 780s feel a lot better.
How'd you like the 5010? Got a friend getting rid of a new 5010 frame he never built and I can get it super cheap, been thinking of swapping out from the Bronson.

if youre talking about the 5010 v3, it'll be a lot different than (I'm assuming) your v2 bronson. have ridden one in a few different settings and its super fun, climbs really well. feels really playful and corners great, fun jib bike but i wouldn't use it for everything.
if its a v2 5010, youre better off just short-stroking your current bronson and putting a smaller fork on it (if you really want that). they're nearly identical.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 13:05 Quote
ninjatarian wrote:
So I swapped my 750mm bars from my old bike to my new bike, and they suddenly feel slightly narrow. Anyone else feel the need to run wider bars with a 29er?

According to Lee McCormacks calculation, 750mm is correct for my height.

I went from 750mm being perfect for me on 26... to it suddenly feeling quite inadequate on a 29.


I'm currently 800mm Burgtecs which I've been meaning to cut to 780mm forever but just haven't got around to it.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 13:27 Quote
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seraph wrote:
I had 760s on my 5010 and they felt good, but with 29x2.6" tires and a 150mm fork on my Stumpy, the 780s feel a lot better.
How'd you like the 5010? Got a friend getting rid of a new 5010 frame he never built and I can get it super cheap, been thinking of swapping out from the Bronson.
Seems to be working out pretty well for Mitch Ropelato. No excuses for railing corners at speed and sending jumps on that bike.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 17:58 Quote
Arnoodles wrote:
swan3609 wrote:
ajax-ripper wrote:

Yea f*ck that calculation, i think arm length and shoulder width matter far more then your height. I'm about 6' tall but my arm spam is closer to 6"3' I find anything under 780 feels narrow and uncomfortable.

Yep.. 6'2 and 6'5 arm span.. Anything under 800 is almost unridable to me.
You both realize that the calculation puts your bar width at over 800mm right? That would but Ajax at about 805 and swan at 827.

I agree the calculation is a bit weird, but if you take into account his recommendation is between that .44xheight number and 5% less than that then it's not too bad. That would make it:

Ajax: 764-805
Swan: 786-827

Again I think the calculation oversimplifies it and I don't agree with the method, but keep in mind it doesn't contradict the numbers you just gave, especially if it's treated only as a starting point.
Lee McCormack is a boob in general.

According to him I should be on an 840mm bar... lol

And don't even get me started on RipRow. I can't believe people are dumb enough to buy that thing.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 18:03 Quote
Nobble wrote:
Lee McCormack is a boob in general.

According to him I should be on an 840mm bar... lol

And don't even get me started on RipRow. I can't believe people are dumb enough to buy that thing.
So f*cking true... the first time I saw a video for thing I thought it was a mentos commercial or something. Pure comedy.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 19:46 Quote
ninjatarian wrote:
So I swapped my 750mm bars from my old bike to my new bike, and they suddenly feel slightly narrow. Anyone else feel the need to run wider bars with a 29er?

According to Lee McCormacks calculation, 750mm is correct for my height.

Lee went off the rails years ago and he get farther from sanity with every pseudoscience correlation he concocts.

Posted: Aug 17, 2019 at 22:11 Quote
Put one of those on wheels and run on a pump track!


 
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