Enve Composites Carbon AM Wheelset: World Cup DH proven - Sea Otter, day 1 by RichardCunningham

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actulice (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:26)

he's so nervous it's like theyre holding his loved ones hostage behind the camera and forcing him to talk about ENVEE COMPAWSITS

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Trevwall (Apr 15, 2011 at 22:46)

Tough to watch, yes but is is doing his best. I would be a little nervous too.

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NorCalNomad (Apr 16, 2011 at 0:59)

he's probably an engineer, so doesn't know how to talk to people

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deanomatic (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:28)

looks really nice.

but the price alone makes these wheels for DH a bit silly, considering if you have to replace a set of rims each season.

i would not mind for XC/light AM riding.. but DH even if i had that kinda cash to blow just on wheels, i would prolly go with option B, and have 3 regular sets of high end wheels

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Matt-W (Apr 15, 2011 at 5:47)

Could we just combine all these 'single video and accompanying sentence' posts to one dynamic front page story called shiny new kit at sea otter at or something. A couple of shots of the kit in use would be nice too.

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cofattire (Apr 15, 2011 at 7:23)

I would love to try all these new composites made for AM through DH, but the prices are just a joke! This is from Enve's warranty info: components may have symptoms of wear in less than two years depending on amount of use, type of use and other conditions. This includes products that have reached the end of their normal life expectancy. So that means you may not have a full two year warranty after paying a PREMIUM price; they are giving them selves a way out of warranting their parts if you ride hard and often. Easton offers a no questions asked 2 year warranty for their havon carbon wheels. If Enve parts are that tough, back them up.

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ShopMechanic (Apr 15, 2011 at 7:07)

Move spoke nipples to the outside, make it tubeless, and cut the price in half and you would get my business. Until then, these rims will only be for SC pros and dentists' kids.

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timmins (Apr 15, 2011 at 19:21)

spokes nipples to the outside? give me a reference

definitely right about tubeless

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Ralfinger (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:31)

this is ehh ehhh enve composits ehh. The wheel eeeh eeh doesnt bend ehh it fails completely. The product itself isnt a fail but the presenter and the pricing. Imho carbon is future but this video is just hillarious .

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Antron (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:36)

Aw come on, he wasn't THAT bad. He's probably just not that great with speeches, I can relate. Either that or he just smoked a lot of pot.

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Ralfinger (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:43)

i mean i dont care,but enve should, or maybe he is the owner and nobody told him he sucks at speeches

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dazem (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:45)

please PB Turn down the volume on your end-add commercial.....soooo goddamn annoying!

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dirtydroog (Apr 15, 2011 at 5:39)

'if it fails it fails completely'

I'd like to see a video of a carbon 'will' failing completely, will I gets shards of carbon fibre in my eyes?

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WAKIdesigns (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:38)

buahah, just like some kid argued with me once that he doesn't wear a helmet because his friend crashed and got pieces of it into his eyes buahahah. What a reason not to use CF - I will get it to my eyes. No you don't, people manufacturing it do

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zorba73 (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:44)

Not if your wearing goggles. Although you WILL face plant into a tree at mach speed.

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Varaxis (Apr 15, 2011 at 16:14)

Who pays retail anymore? You can get the rims for $510 at Competitive Cyclist (15% off with code: STRAV15), well the XC clincher rim at least, just as an example of street prices. Seen someone selling a pair of used XC ones in good cond. on MTBR for 800. Makes it about 6x more expensive. If you compare to other carbon rims, such as Easton havens (also ~2500 MSRP), it doesn't seem too bad of a price.

AM ones seem to be really hard to find in stock any where at a price less than retail though.

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zoopla (Apr 15, 2011 at 16:38)

to all of you complaining about the price...i'm sure they would cost way less if they were made in china along with all the other crap. i don't mind paying more for something made here that provides jobs to north american people....

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CrashPanda (Apr 15, 2011 at 16:58)

Am.... SantaCruz V10 carbon frames are made in China. Wouldn't classify that as 'all the other crap', for example.

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w-e-w (Apr 15, 2011 at 16:58)

Ahhhhh haa haaaa. Go buy a tv made out of spruce trees and cod fish while you're at it.

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timmins (Apr 15, 2011 at 19:28)

quit shitting on china! without chinese labour we wouldn't be able to afford nearly the number of goods that we have today. maybe us north Americans are just a little too comfortable and our expectation that we should all live like kings of old is a little eschew.

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cardronapumpandjumptrack (Apr 15, 2011 at 11:52)

wait so is he saying that you can use these for DH because on the website it says this on their AM wheels ; "AM rim is NOT intended for dual slalom, freeride or downhill use."

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mtbfraser (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:07)

guy sounded like he didn't really know what he was talking about...

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chrisinmontreal (Apr 15, 2011 at 5:53)

You can purchase a complete bike for the price of their wheel set, that just ridiculous!!

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deadatbirth (Apr 15, 2011 at 7:49)

a complete used dh bike maybe

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chrisinmontreal (Apr 15, 2011 at 8:34)

Used is not synonymous with of lower quality mind you.

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JoeyBratten (Apr 15, 2011 at 5:41)

1580g a wheelset??? 400 grams lighter than demax ultimate wheels and i bet they are stronger. f*ck

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MeAlex (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:07)

well one should hope as much considering they're more than double the price!

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Rasterman (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:34)

www.industrynine.net/All_Mountain
1750g for $1085

$1200 to save 170g, for race only IMO

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deadatbirth (Apr 15, 2011 at 7:54)

with DT190 hubs, the ENVE's are 1387grams.

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captainbringdown Mod (Apr 15, 2011 at 10:03)

those weights are 28 spoke. I have had a set on order for 4 months... well done enve...

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Matt-W (Apr 15, 2011 at 5:42)

( www.envecomposites.com/wheels/mtb/twenty6AM.html )

NOT intended for dual slalom, freeride or downhill use.

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manicmastiff (Apr 15, 2011 at 9:37)

I feel really stupid, I thought the carbon rims the SCS were using were called "Edge" lol..

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rockyrider55 (Apr 15, 2011 at 10:58)

They used to be called edge. The company changed its name

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manicmastiff (Apr 15, 2011 at 11:28)

Really? I missed that..

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JoeyBratten (Apr 15, 2011 at 14:34)

i was thinking exactly the same thing

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loamranger (Apr 15, 2011 at 11:44)

Thank God for the guinea pigs who are willing to spend the money to test ride these products.....so that in a few times we can all enjoy a better and more affordable product.

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BigBooga (Apr 15, 2011 at 16:16)

I could go for a nice little slice of key-lime pie about now. So cool & refreshing. Ahhhh.

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Callum-T (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:51)

Apart from Greg cracked on at fort william WC and lost due to it

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dnsukraine (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:45)

this is the worst presentation i've ever seen. dude, read about your product more that some people love it.

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rismtb (Apr 15, 2011 at 8:28)

I like when he says " If its going to fail its going to fail completely". What the f where's the tubeless?????????

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Dirt-Street-Park (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:24)

Start savin' boys! It'll be a while, mind you...

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deadatbirth (Apr 15, 2011 at 7:51)

lol, he called it "dampening"

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Views (Apr 15, 2011 at 12:21)

i liked the part where he said the prices, made me giggle

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mongoose85 (Apr 15, 2011 at 13:23)

$2K a wheelset was 'woah' then it was 'made in utah' and I was like oh

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goxbigxorxgoxhome (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:01)

Nice One !

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josh-clifton (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:09)

Hear that, they dont bend, they just fail completely Yeah

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staike (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:53)

When these fail completely, your alu rims would have bent so much that they would have been useless a long time ago. Either way you would have to buy new rims/wheels if they bend/fail, so if these would be able to bring you better down the hill in a race run, I don't see the problem with them.

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ctd07 (Apr 15, 2011 at 22:04)

do you have any proof of this or are you just assuming that because carbon can be stronger than alu gram for gram that these rims are way stronger than anything else out there? lol

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staike (Apr 16, 2011 at 3:55)

I have no first hand experiece with the wheelset. I'm just talking on a general basis of what carbon is/(can be) capable of. Enve is also known for its good quality carbon parts, so I don't question that what they say is true. Look at this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDVpRSNtcPQ What would happen if that was an aluminium frame? That's what I'm talking about. I would much rather have true, but damaged carbon fibre rims instead of alu rims that are so bent that they are practically unusable, at least in a race run.

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goxbigxorxgoxhome (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:19)

that "nice one" was sarcasm ! i always prefer i9 wheelsets

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Moz999 (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:10)

From their website - 'AM rim is NOT intended for dual slalom, freeride or downhill use'

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spaced FL (Apr 15, 2011 at 4:52)

yeah and Medical Marihuana is not intended for recreational use

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Rasterman (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:36)

Well to be fair nowhere in the feature do they say they are for downhill, they are saying they are being PROVEN in DH, meaning they are plenty tough enough for AM use if they stand up in DH use.

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bigburd (Apr 15, 2011 at 11:17)

man biking is soo full of bullshit and hype these days it makes me sick

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w-e-w (Apr 15, 2011 at 16:53)

When wasn't it?.. If it wasn't for hype and bullshit I might not get out of bed in the morning.

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RichardCunningham (Apr 16, 2011 at 9:12)

Carbon built to be absolutely lightweight is pretty easy to yard-sale, but the notion that carbon always shatters when it breaks is not correct. Formula One cars, for example, use a different layup and resin strategy to provide complete protection for the driver in the event of an impact of any magnitude. The results are staggering. Google F1 crashes and you will get a sample of carbon in an impact-resistant layup.
Back to rims now. Enve is working on the same basic concept - that a carbon rim specifically built to survive high impacts, at an acceptable weight, will get battered without shattering. Part of the matrix will probably get damaged when it bashes rocks - but the rim will still be round and load bearing, spoke tension will distribute the impact forces more evenly around the wheel, there will be no flat spots on the rim to concentrate stress, and the tire will be encouraged to stay on the rim. An aluminum rim can be made bomb proof, but not at a race-competitive weight. Carbon can be made strong enough--perhaps far stronger, while matching the weight of a race-weight rim--and perhaps significantly lighter.

So, That's where I am going with this. I'd like to see the concept developed to make DH/AM wheels go the distance. And the cost? Well, how much does a stack of alloy rims cost in dollars and build time? Santa Cruz used to replace the wheels three times a weekend per rider. When they switched to Enve carbon, the wheels lasted all weekend (although they used one set for practice and one for the race) - and these were the AM versions.