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@BenPea: I 100% agree. I think it's also turbocharged by the fact some people automatically hate everything that is perceived as woke so this means the topic is automatically doomed (hell my stepfather stopped being vegetarian after 20 years since "leftists are vegetarians). What is worse there are coments below by actual female athletes and the most active comenters here literally mensplain to them that them being less concerned with trans athletes is somehow invalid. PS. Fun fact - I know a guy who used to be a WADA inspector and he used to run a female cycling team. His approach to the topic? "This isn't an issue unless you cherry pick cases".

@Adamrideshisbike: can you quote the part of my comment that justifies violence towards women? I mean we talk in a few threads and why can't you try to talk to me? I know 2023 is politically charged but why won't you try to have a discussion with me instead of making up what I've said? I did not insult you, I did not attack you. I simply asked you to be nicer and your response is to lie and be aggressive.

It was not. I've seen people claiming trans people transition only to win in sports, to rape people and comparing trans activists to nazis. Not sure it can get any worse.

It's good to see some people trying to be civil about this topic.

@mybaben: That's a bit of an insincere argument you are making since it can't really become the norm for one simple reason. There aren't enough trans people for it to become the norm. I get that media sensationalizes the topic so it seems like it's a huge group but ask yourself. How many trans people you know or heard there are in your area? Since I move in pretty progressive groups in 2 large european cities and I've met less than 10 trans people in person. The current studies suggest sub 1:250 people are identifying as trans.

@Adamrideshisbike: why is this nonsense? Adam i get that you care for your daughters but can you make a honest attempt at looking at it from the trans athlete side? Do you know how difficult it is to transition? Even excluding the social stigma it's not an easy or fun process. Quite the opposite. I can't speak on it from experience but I have friends who were open with me. After hearing their stories I'd never come at it from an angle of "someone is transitioning to get an easy win". Especially since last time I checked a mediocre male athlete still earns more than a top female athlete unless they are literally in the top of the top in the world.

@eckljkr: can you give me a % not a list? So we can really see if it's common?

@FoesKnows: ah yes spot on for claiming I've said something i didnt say.

@Adamrideshisbike: aaah yes using the straw man fallacy against me claiming I've said things i didnt say Can you tell me in how many countries a child, without parental consent can ask for puberty blockers? Do you know how hard it is to get puberty blockers or hormone treatment? Since despite your agressive AF talk I'm open to talking to you but you do seem to be fairly misinformed here thinking a 13 year old can go "oh I want the pills" and they get it right away, no parental consent, 1 doctor visit like they're asking for a vitamin c shot. As for your jail comment - so using your logic are you suggesting someone that is "passing" as a female be put into male prison? So if someone looks totally as a woman be put into a male prison? Since you seem to be concerned about rape only when it affects certain people not all people. PS. You do realize same sex rape happens right? Rape crisis centers and prisons should protect people. Period. Stop trying to politicize it. Talk to a trans person who underwent some form of transitioning. Seriously I say this with no malice. This will enlighten you. You will no longer have a theory people transition to rape people or to compete in sports. I mean sure lets have a talk about the rules around trans athletes but why does this have to turn into a discussion of who can hate trans people the most?

They could have phrased it better but you have to try to understand where the message comes from. Since It seems the comment section is so much against trans people they don't get the intention here. Trans people face suicide at much higher rates than literally any other group in society. So they were probably aluding to the fact that bad political actors really do want to erase trans people, maybe not directly but from the political discourse and hope they dissapear.