This is a review and report of the following POC products that I've used for last season;
Spine VPD Tee,
Hip VPD Shorts,
Bone VPD Leg,
Bone Arm,
Joint Ankle,
Cortex Flow,
Index DH and
Iris DH goggles. I started riding downhill last summer and I ended up buying a full set of POC armor and an Orange 224 evolution DH-bike. Since then I've been riding any time that I've had free time. Basically I have tested all the equipment I bought by crashing with them on, so I thought it would be good to write a review. I've taken pictures of each product after one season and I've also included pictures of my injuries that I've had while wearing this armor. I've also put some of my ideas on how to develop the products further. By the way I'm from Finland so excuse my grammatical errors.
Here is a video where I'm using these products:
About POC: The thing I love about POC gear is that they have had a fresh start and have not copied anything. The design is unique and pure Scandinavian. All the products have been well made and they have taken lots of time to figure them out in an innovative way. I like their business idea. I have read a lot about their success and I've used their brand as an example to my customers how one should develop business through design.
Since I bought all my POC armor(6/2009), I've had three different, bigger crashes and a different kind injury from each of them: One dislocated/broken little finger, broken collar bone and many scratches/bumps to my knee.
Here is the new set of POC armor on me. The other pictures are taken after I've used them for one season:
POC manufacturers customer service: Overview: I have tried to contact POC to ask where I can buy the products and have also e-mailed them about the same thing. I've tried to give some feedback about their products, but they have not answered me at all. This is the worst service I've ever had. Usually at least something is answered. I got the supplier info from the THE-supplier in Finland. The POC supplier's
(JK-Shop) service is brilliant.
Suggestions on how to improve: Anything is better than the current service that they offer.
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Editor's Note:
Cosaleo is from Finland and his customer service woes are very much the opposite to what we at Pinkbike have experienced in North America. Both the Canadian and US distribution centers have shown to be more than competent and knowledgeable of all their products. It's unfortunate that he's had such a bad experience as all of ours have been above par with both North American distribution centers.*
Points 1/10
Spine VPD Tee: Overview: This is a brilliant product. The VPD backplate is really comfortable and the jacket stays on perfectly. I like to use it without the waist band because the back protector feels better that way. The VPD Tee feels well ventilated in warm weather and also under a jacket during winter. The only problem is that it stinks after you have been using it.
Injuries: I broke my collar bone when I crashed over the handlebars. I did a proper landing but still my collarbone broke. I have been training judo for over fifteen years (I know how to land when going over my head) and I'm not sure if the shoulder pad broke the bone during landing. When I lift my shoulder, the pad touches the very place the bone broke. Attached is also an x-ray of the injury. After I recovered from the injury, I have tried not to use my arm to guide my landing when going over the handlebar. I have had similar crashes since and I have had no problems so this product works well.
Suggestions on how to improve: They could make instructions of how to try crash properly and how to practice proper landing during crashes. Other safety tips would be great. I'm not sure if the collar bone can be protected in any way but if there is an option it would be great.
Points 9/10
Hip VPD ShortsOverview: This is a comfortable and useful product. So far this product has been servicing me without any major complaints. The fabric has ripped a little bit during my crashes. It's also been taking on color from the other fabrics in the product during wash, which is awkward.
Injuries: The Hip VPD short protects well because I haven't got any big injuries for that area. I've only had some scratches from my handlebar and saddle etc.
Suggestions on how to improve: If there was a non-puncturable material as in gloves that the police use, then the scratches could be prevented. I have been getting bruises and scratches to the area a lot. From the picture you can see that when the saddle broke, the saddle bar went through the Oakley shorts and VPD Shorts.
Points 9.5/10
Bone VPD Leg:Overview: These knee pads have been a good choice to protect my knees and shins. They look good. Although they are not as comfortable to wear as they could be. They try to slide down when riding and I need to correct them in place every now and then, because of that, I'm not sure if the size is correct for me. These knee pads are good when it comes to a direct hit but they don't protect the knee very well when sliding sideways during a crash. One bad thing about them is that POC logos are coming off from both of them. The same thing happens with Bone Arm.
Injuries: I've had several cuts and bruises where the pads have slid away when I have fallen off the bike and slide along the ground.
Suggestions on how to improve: I think there should be better bindings/straps on the upper leg like the joint VPD knee has. There could be some fabric around the knee that protects it. Also a size guide on the web page would be nice too, because sometimes you order these products from the net and can not try them on.
Points 8/10
Bone Arm: Overview:the Bone arm is a hard shell elbow armor. It's been a good product for protecting arms and there have not been any troubles or injuries. I'm happy with this product because it gives good protection and it feels good. It's also cool to wear because of the ventilation.
Injuries: None.
Suggestions on how to improve: Keep it this way.
Points 10/10
Joint Ankle: Overview: I have been using this product with Five Ten Impact shoes. It backfills the shoes' features by protecting the ankle bones from impacts. They are really comfortable and light so you don't notice them on. There is also a protection for the Achilles tendon.
Injuries: None.
Suggestions on how to improve: One of the Joint Ankles inside has been broken so it does not protect the tendon any more. It could be made of a stronger material I guess.
Points 9/10
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I took the visor off to see how the finishing has been damaged under it.
Cortex Flow: Overview: Very light helmet made of fiberglass and plastic. Weight of this helmet is one kilogram. The helmet feels comfortable in hot or cold weather (Tested +28C to -12C).
Injuries: None. I haven't had a single hit on the helmet during any of my crashes.
Suggestions on how to improve: The finishing varnish is now matte and it scratches really easily so the helmet looks really old after only one or two weeks of using it. The finishing should be better, yet still matte. This can be a challenge for the manufacturer in China.
Points 8.5/10
INDEX DH: Overview:These gloves are really good. They have been properly done and the design is good. They fit my fingers well and protect my knuckles from damage when riding too close to trees. They also protect wrists well because there is some hard plastic at the palm side of the hand.
Injuries: I crashed after a small drop and dislocated my little finger on my left hand. My doctor thought it was also broken but not seriously.
Suggestions on how to improve: They could put the two smallest fingers together to prevent dislocation. Two fingers together are stronger than a separate one. Here is a solution I done to prevented more damage to my little fingers.
FE: Alpinestars use this feature in one of their road racing gloves. Points 9.5/10
Iris DH:Overview:These goggles are basic stuff. Nothing really special about them. I managed to scratch the lens too easily from both sides. The white color in the strap is total bull because it was not white after one trip. The good thing is that there is some silicone on the other side so the goggles stay on the helmet really well. The tear-offs aren't good at all for many reasons. The tear-offs are too thick. If you put two or more on you can not see through them properly. The tear-offs are too long and they don't have a second holding point so they slap against your face if you turn your head. I've cut off the rest of the tear-off to prevent that from happening. These goggles are nice and comfortable to wear and they don't get fogged up too easily. I'll probably change to another brand if there are no changes made to these issues in 2010. POC have introduced new goggles at Interbike 2009. They look like skiing goggles but I'll give them a chance.
Here is a picture of them. Injuries: None. I think the frame material is good because it is soft. Probably helps it to prevent injuries.
Suggestions on how to improve: Better instructions on how to keep the lens clean and avoid scratching. The strap should be made of a more stain-proof material.
Points 5/10
Whole POC set: Good: Comfort, protection, design
Bad: Service, instructions, lack of stain-proof, smell
Points 7.7/10 (
Editor's Note: Due to Cosaleo's poor service in Finland, his overall rating is lower than what it would have been if he'd had any experiences similar to us in the North America. His rating of each protective piece is very well received so don't let the overall rating hinder you from checking out POC in 2010.)
[Quoten]They could put the two smallest fingers together to prevent dislocation. Two fingers together are stronger than a separate one. Here is a solution I done to prevented more damage to my little fingers[/Quoten]
AS for POC... piece of chit. Their sizing is less than accurate. Expensive for what it is. As far as design goes... doesn't even match the market place. 661 and Dainese all the way.
There's something to be said for companies who are race-bred on dirt (not snow) and have been around for a while.
What's with the editors notes? Does POC have some deal with PB and they don't want any bad reviews going out? Just seemed kinda weird to add that into HIS review when it could have been posted as a comment. Plus, you will be able to get other peoples opinions on the service in N. America.
he did a great review of the products but they just throw those disclaimers in so that people understand the service problems where in a diff country. i know bad service reviews make me think twice about buying from a company.
Brule - the term 'kid' is used lightly not referring to his true age as much as the just i just type kid instead of guy when talking about people (including myself) under 30. i didn't bash his review it was good to read. but the term independent is kinda loose, cosaleo obviously has connections to PB or he wouldn't have been given the products to review, he is viewed in this blog as an 'opinion leader' thus people feel the information will be less bias. no matter how you try and say it, these 'reviews' are still advertising. and cheap advertising i might add.
I wrote the review just for myself on the PB-blog. Then I saw the button where you can send the blog to PB staff. Anybody can do this as brule said.
Buy an MX lid and MX goggles for less $$$ and have way better gear.
I've been using Race Face's Rally FR knee/shins for over 5 years (on my second set now) and they have never slid down or moved in any crash or impact - easily the best knee / shin on the market in my humble opinion
my buddy bought the POC knee/shin off all the hype (he was previously using Race Face Rally DH knee/shin) and sent them back as the fitment was very poor and they would not stay in place despite being the "right size" - he got another RF set instead
I would go for the new 661 Race knee/shin as second choice - very similar to the RF Rally FR
One other point: If I suffered an abrasion injury where my armor failed I would basically trash the armor that I was reviewing -- perhaps with some qualifications. I find the positive tone of the review incongruous.
1) The mechanism of injury for a clavicle (collarbone) fracture is an impact to the shoulder itself, not directly to the clavicle, so there is little that can be done to prevent that force being transferred unless you just massively pad up the shoulder cup. Its usually just a case of being unlucky with how you land.
2) All goggle lenses scratch, however good quality they are. The lenses are pretty much a disposable part of the goggle - hoping of course that you can source replacements easily. Thats why I always have Oakleys even tho I love the look of other makes more, I know I can get MX O-frame lenses no problem.
3) All knee and knee/shin pad combos slide in crash if you go down in a certain way. The only thing I have used that doesn't do this is Dianese Viking Bibs because they are held up by the straps over the shoulders, no Coccyx protection tho....
I'am a IPO(Product Desing)student myself. So always looking at stuff like this. Poc makes good gear but its not that good at all if you ask me. Just diffrent whit a good marketing set-up. Its the"Apple" on protection equipment(its even Wite) :-)
Bad:
- The upper straps slide down too easily and need adjusting a lot even though the pads are the right fit (small were far too small). The straps have also started to ripple and they also roll in to a thin strip rather than a wide band meaning they slide down even more. Silicone grippers on the back like the goggles might help?
- The POC logo has completely torn off mine which when it happens means the two hard armour plates fall closer together and overlap and the whole pad loses its shape and the protection becomes less effective. I'd hoped they would've sorted this for 2010 (as they have put a better top strap etc) but it is the same looking at their pictures.
- I also found they offer excellent impact protection but for sliding they are next to useless. I was riding having only recently recovered from a broken knee and had no problems despite several heavy crashes but I lost a lot of skin from sliding after the initial crash.
- Possibly as a result of sliding, the armour plates on mine have also started to detach where the stitching has all torn so they're now no longer safe to use.
- The VPD in the upper-knee padding is excellent and worlds better than the crappy 661 d3o.
- Pad easily removed without removing shoe (previous pads were THE Storm).
- Impact protection is excellent.
- Optional calf protection works well.
- Excellent ventilation, can really feel the air on your shins when riding. So much I even get strips of dust spots when riding in dusty conditions.
A last point which is neither good nor bad, the left knee armour is cracked on my set. Yes it's bad as they're no longer fit for purpose but at least the plate cracked and not my knee so job well done.
There are some great things about the pads but there's too much wrong with them, mostly the entire design relying on a POC logo that is only stitched in and falls out far too easily, so I wouldn't buy another set. Personally I'd only give the knee/shin pads 5 out of 10.
P.S. Slipknot rocks like no other!
Anyone knows if you Can wear a leatt brace with the tee?
cheers
SO what you need to do is go find a nice spot to crash. Step 1-Jack the front brake really hard. Step 2- tuck you chin to your chest and initiate the roll from the pelvis. Step 3- Spot the landing. Step 4- eat shit. Step 5- repeat. Once you have the basics down move to the skatepark and try it on concrete......
I have practised your technique a lot mostly without really trying. (without step one)
To your critic on the Knee shins: There is no protector on the market who is freeing from scratchwounds. even with the TDL-protectors i've hade my sratchwounds. TIPP: use long pants.
but the rest i do totaly agree.... exept the customer service.
Thats the problem of the distributor not the problem of poc.
Ride On
Nice Article
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The other videos on my profile are also from the same park.
Seriously though, even if the gear was great, why so much more expensive than anything else???