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dungeonbeast jamessmurthwaite's article
Jan 9, 2021 at 17:02
Jan 9, 2021
Trek is Being Sued for $5 Million Over Wavecel Safety Claims
@friendlyfoe: I agree to an extent. But they also cannot prove the 48x in even one scenario by the nature of concussions. That to me is where the problem arises. Again, if they would just say ‘minimizes the deceleration that plays a role in concussions by 48x’ they would be wholly within reason.
dungeonbeast jamessmurthwaite's article
Jan 9, 2021 at 16:58
Jan 9, 2021
Trek is Being Sued for $5 Million Over Wavecel Safety Claims
@mick06: you’re still missing my point, and maybe I’m not articulating it well. They should not be able to make the statement ‘decreases concussions by up to 48x’ because that cannot be quantified or proven in any way. Because of this it is patently false. I realize that multitudes of companies across almost all markets make similar claims. The difference to me is that if a beer company says our ‘lawsuit lager’ tastes 48x more hoppy than the competition, the consequences of misrepresentation means somebody gets a poor tasting beer. Trek on the other hand is making claims about someone safety, health and possibly life in extreme cases. It has real consequences.
dungeonbeast jamessmurthwaite's article
Jan 9, 2021 at 14:33
Jan 9, 2021
Trek is Being Sued for $5 Million Over Wavecel Safety Claims
@timeOday: But they cannot say its 48x in even one scenario simply because a concussion causing event is entirely dependent on each individuals head and underlying factors we don't fully understand at this point. It is by nature unquantifiable and thus a number can't be attached.
dungeonbeast jamessmurthwaite's article
Jan 9, 2021 at 14:30
Jan 9, 2021
Trek is Being Sued for $5 Million Over Wavecel Safety Claims
@mick06: I think your frustration maybe a little misplaced. I'm not defending the lawsuit, I'm simply trying to having a discussion on the statements Trek made that may have open themselves up to somebody filing one. It would also be nice if marketing departments actually made valid claims. The claim they made cannot ever be verified because a concussion causing event if fluid and non-quantifiable by nature. I'm glad they are trying to make safer helmets, but they should be equally responsible when selling them to people who may not have the knowledge or time to spend determining if the claims are warranted. I don't think your hyperbole is warranted.
dungeonbeast jamessmurthwaite's article
Jan 9, 2021 at 14:25
Jan 9, 2021
Trek is Being Sued for $5 Million Over Wavecel Safety Claims
@Dedward2: but you can't say that in regard to a concussion because you cant say definitively that a you would have caused one with helmet A but not with helmet B in any laboratory setting. That is the root cause of all this. You cannot put any number on it because you cant actually quantify it.
dungeonbeast jamessmurthwaite's article
Jan 9, 2021 at 13:04
Jan 9, 2021
Trek is Being Sued for $5 Million Over Wavecel Safety Claims
Legitimate discussion. It is my understanding that medical science doesn’t completely understand the nuances of concussions. They obviously know the general scenarios that give rise. They probably have some threshold level where they can say that any deceleration of the head/brain above this level will lead to a concussion in the majority of the population. But, there are cases and scenarios where a lower level event might cause a concussion in someone like myself who has a history of them, but not in somebody else. The fact that it is not possible to definitely state that every event A will cause a concussion, but event B will not across all individuals means it is not possible to state that wave cell will decrease the chance of a concussion by 48x. This statement (the value may have been slightly different) was made in the original press release, and I think this is the source of the problem Trek faces. If they had come out and said that our wave cell helmet lowered deceleration values experienced by the ‘head’ in our experimental set-up by 25% as measured via xyz data collection system, they would be gravy. I would give the benefit of the doubt that the investigators you know did their due diligence, but Trek did not in their product roll-out.
dungeonbeast sarahmoore's article
Jan 2, 2021 at 8:10
Jan 2, 2021
Eliot Jackson Signs With Santa Cruz
So Stoked for Eliot! He seems likely such a incredibly genuine dude and he is clearly a brilliant mind within cycling. Now bring back riding in the slippers!!
dungeonbeast sarahmoore's article
Jan 2, 2021 at 8:02
Jan 2, 2021
Eliot Jackson Signs With Santa Cruz
@JustAnotherRiderHere: How ignorant are you? You assume that because you haven’t heard of someone and they are black, that they are in their position not because they earned it, but because someone needed to meet a made up diversity quota? No person’s value within cycling or the world is contingent on whether you’ve heard of them, and you assuming what you did, or even asking the question makes you seem tone-deaf at best, and straight up racist at worst. Eliot Jackson has been an astoundingly positive contributor to the cycling community and beyond for years at this point. From being a top American racer when there weren’t many, to riding Crankworx Whip-offs in slippers, to producing amazing World Cup content. And finally starting a non-profit to help grow the sport with those who wouldn’t traditionally have access. Next time, it might be worth pulling your head out from under the rock before posting. [EDIT] It looks lime you are simply a troll and not worth any effort to try and educate or redeem.
dungeonbeast brianpark's article
Sep 14, 2020 at 14:50
Sep 14, 2020
Pinkbike Poll: Would You Pay A Rider For Their Video?
@jaredmh: less foreplay, more time to ride my bike ;)
dungeonbeast brianpark's article
Sep 14, 2020 at 13:42
Sep 14, 2020
Pinkbike Poll: Would You Pay A Rider For Their Video?
Different strokes for different folks. I’d much rather pay $5 for a shorter film full of bangers then any version of the terrible ‘storyline’ movies that have come out in the last 10 years. How many times can you hear narration trying to sound profound when it’s the same recycled take on how the athlete is either having a ‘spiritual experience’, ‘artistic expression’, or how their athletic pursuit makes them different than the average person? I don’t want to watch 25 minutes of ‘epic’ nature lifestyle shots just to see the few shots of the actual high level riding. If I want that I’ll go watch Planet Earth. Bike, ski, snowboard, surf, etc videos should be about displaying the activity in my opinion. Caveat, The Moment was great, but it was a documentary about the birth of the sport so really a different type of film with its own spot.
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