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michibretz ridingaddiction1's article
Jan 22, 2019 at 19:03
Jan 22, 2019
Commencal/Vallnord DH Team Signs with Enve & Bell
@Jesse221: ups sorry, that was actually someone else talking to you not you talking, sorry my bad...
michibretz ridingaddiction1's article
Jan 22, 2019 at 8:49
Jan 22, 2019
Commencal/Vallnord DH Team Signs with Enve & Bell
@Jesse221: you said further up you have never ridden carbon wheels. Maybe you should try some and gain some experience on such a product before making a definitive statement like this. Everything can be damaged no mather what material it is made of. My personal experience: I have successfully ridden broken carbon rims out of trails, even continued multiple days on them before i could get replacement. On the other side i had aluminum components and frames that just cracked in to pieces and sent me on long hikes home. Bottom line its purely circumstantial and depends much more on the what and how you damage it than on the material the damaged component was made of.
michibretz ridingaddiction1's article
Jan 21, 2019 at 17:11
Jan 21, 2019
Commencal/Vallnord DH Team Signs with Enve & Bell
@bhuff: Would be rad if pole would do some cnc wheels bolted together like classic BBS racing wheels for cars. ..it would probably not be very practical...
michibretz mikelevy's article
Jan 5, 2019 at 14:58
Jan 5, 2019
Unno's Slack XC Bike Might be the Future of XC
@Gregorysmithj1: How exactly I did treat everyone as stupid by trying to shed light on why a Company has cost related to importing a product to the US or Europe and therefore has to charge more for the same product?
michibretz mikelevy's article
Jan 4, 2019 at 17:15
Jan 4, 2019
Unno's Slack XC Bike Might be the Future of XC
@Gregorysmithj1: which one are you talking about? the 1250 Dollar Qbp or the 250 Dollar amazon version? I simply tried to explain where the difference in price between China Generic (amazon/Alibaba/ebay), Imported and distributed (QBP/Heller) and US developed frames made in far east (Spesch, Trek, Yeti, YT and almost any other company) comes from but if that's too much talk for you that's a bummer.
michibretz mikelevy's article
Jan 4, 2019 at 12:42
Jan 4, 2019
Unno's Slack XC Bike Might be the Future of XC
@Gregorysmithj1: QBP/Heller is a US company. Product they sell is not the same as generic China frames you can get for 300 bucks anywhere on eBay Alibaba or amazon. Like any US Company they have to do their due diligence. They have people working with the factories, people like myself, that make sure what you get is not total crap and fulfils every standard to be imported to the US or the European Union. Yes their frames/bikes are priced lower than other brands stuff but that's because their overhead is still lower. Its nowhere near the Generic China frame discussed here. Stuff like this: https://www.amazon.com/27-5er-Mountain-Bicycle-Compatible-14212mm/dp/B07JZZHPT9/ref=asc_df_B07JZZHPT9/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312125954623&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16211929717628444941&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032090&hvtargid=pla-574552903892&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=63589537658&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312125954623&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16211929717628444941&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032090&hvtargid=pla-574552903892 The reason their prices are better is they do not do Marketing and have race teams with sponsored athletes. And most of all they don't do extensive development work neither are they are they trying to innovate. Another way to offer cheaper product but still do marketing and development is to cut out the Shops. You know the guys that you expect to fix it for you if broke it... Anyway, For an established Brand that's different. Take Specialized for example. For starters there is a team of engineers, about 10 of them who only work on mountain bikes and mountain bike specific components. There is an even bigger team for road including folks taht runs a wind tunnel some of them aerospace engineers that happen to be cycling enthusiasts and chose to work in this industry because its their passion even though the make less money than the would in aerospace. Then there a group of people who build test mules for technology and geometry updates. They test every prototype that comes in from Asia and test them in the laboratory on machines they developed just to figure out if the product is any good. they test the first couple of frames out of every production run just to make sure they are on spec. They have a whole group of employees worldwide working on Compliance, meaning making sure everything is up to standards (anything from safety to environmental to Production Quality) They work with and at factories around the globe. There is outside labs that test every material that comes in contact with a human for chemicals known to be harmful to humans. You have to do that if you want to import and resell in the US and that isn't cheap. Back in the day when I worked with them there was a good dozen or more graphic and industrial designers working at the big evil S and than you have product mangers, demand planning, sales, marketing, logistics, team managers and riders... all in all a couple of hundred of people working to ensure the customer get good stuff. Yes its not aero industries, but why do you think so may people want specialized (or any other brand for that matter? Because the brands build a reputation, they invest into marketing and development in the US or in Europe. All these people need to be payed and that's what you pay for with a brand frame. You are right its not a magical process, its a process that requires hard work by skilled and educated employees and entrepreneurs who want to earn a good living like everyone else and that's what you pay for... I am not ignorant, I am one of them...
michibretz mikelevy's article
Jan 4, 2019 at 10:36
Jan 4, 2019
Unno's Slack XC Bike Might be the Future of XC
@panzer103: No, I preferer products which have been thoroughly developed, tested in a lab and ridden on a trail before being put into production. Products that have quality control at the end of the production line. You might think the generic frame is soo much cheaper because European and American companies like to rip of their customers however the truth it is its because they skip all the above, use the cheapest materials available and take every other shortcut they can find. And No, the Chinese factories do not do that by themselves. They roll differently... I work for almost 20 years as a developer for different companies in this industry and I can ensure you that barley any of these Chinese generic products fulfill western quality or safety standards. Even the factories that produce for Western companies often do not use the same quality on their own house brand or unbranded products. I have seen anything from died black glass fiber being sold as carbon to toxic resins and other chemicals being used because they are cheaper. A lot of times these factories have multiped production lines, one that goes by the standards required by international customers. Environmental, Workplace safety and so on, as they get audited. And than another facility around the corner where they do all their dirty work for cheap. A US company cant just import anything and sell it here. Products have to be tested for chemicals for example and that isn't cheap. Every product needs to be tested for its safety or the first person that crashes will sue them out of business. On the other hand a Chinese e-bay, Alibaba or Amazon component has to do nothing as they are just sending over a single item... Sure, not all of them are outright dangerous but the point is you never know. You might not believe me which is also OK but I would personally never take the chances.
michibretz mikelevy's article
Jan 3, 2019 at 16:47
Jan 3, 2019
Unno's Slack XC Bike Might be the Future of XC
@stinkbikelies: seriously, 10-15 broken bikes? What about the broken bones that come with all those failing frames while you ride??? I also would really like to know what name brands you are dealing with, pretty much any brand has a no question asked policy around these days...
michibretz mikelevy's article
Jan 3, 2019 at 11:20
Jan 3, 2019
Unno's Slack XC Bike Might be the Future of XC
@too many pink bike users : shut the F up about your 200 dollar ebay china bike... We get it you are cheap Fers...
michibretz danielsapp's article
Dec 20, 2018 at 16:03
Dec 20, 2018
Ridden & Rated: 12 Jackets for Wet Weather Riding
@Mac1987: quantities sold definitely make a huge difference here. In general Cycling doesn't sell as much product as people think which is part of the cost compared to for example motorcycle products. When it comes to materials, 600D nylon or Polyester (Cordura is just one Brand by DuPont/Invista) is actually fairly cheap. Its a very basic weave and the yarn is so thick that even a blind machine operator can produce it. That's why you see it in all your basic moto pants for 50 bucks and up. Stretch makes fabrics expensive and so dose low denier yarn. its just harder to work with and produce. Lamination to light weight fabrics is definitely trickier than to a heavy fabric. 600D is like a freaking cardboard and you can pretty much stick anything to it. if you have a 100g stretch fabric that is sensitive to higher temperatures things get tricky on a whole nether level. Materials like the ones used with a decent membrane are usually somewhere around 25-40USD vs. sub 10 bucks for a yard of Cordura. You need about 1.5-2Yards of Fabric for a Jacket. so that's already 50-80Bucks. DWR and other treatments like anti odor can add cost too, especially when you want treatments that are somewhat environmentally friendly but overall the cost for that is usually that's not too bad. Add Labor, Factory Overhead, Shipping, Duty, Overhead at the Brand, Brand Margin, Retail Margin... Anyway, all I wanted to say is I have not yet seen any outdoor or cycling company make money on these Jackets for 200-300$. To my experience they barley reach their margin targets if at all and are usually just kept in the line to have a complete offering and be more attractive to retailers rather than as big earners r to rip of riders like many folks her seam to suggest...
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