Blackspire Stinger E Chain Guide Review

Jan 27, 2012 at 21:16
by Qwan Pham  
Blackspire's Stinger dual ring guide is a simple, bolt on solution for riders who want the versatility of two chain rings without the hassle of losing a chain on rough terrain. The simple guide is available in a number of different mounting options, from ISCG, ISCG-05, BB mount, and even a model that is made to fit BMX bikes. The model reviewed here is the Stinger E, with the "E" referring to the mounting tabs for a Shimano E-type front derailleur. The 90 gram guide is available in anodized black, with rollers coming in black, pink, green, blue, purple, orange, and gold. They retail from $29.95 USD (non-E type model) to $49.95 USD for the Stinger E shown here.

Blackspire Stinger E
The Stinger E employs a stepped lower roller for chain retention, along with mounting tabs for a Shimano E-typer front derailleur. The total package weighs just 90 grams.

Blackspire Stinger E details:

- Dual ring chain guide
- recommended use: AM/FR
- ISCG, ISCG-05, BB mounting options
- Uses a stepped roller for chain tension
- Fits up to 40 tooth chain rings
- Compatible with most bash guards
- Weight: 90 grams
- MSRP $49.95 USD (Stinger E), $29.95 USD (standard model)


The details
Blackspire designed the Stinger to be as straightforward as possible. The aluminum backplate doesn't utilize any gram saving cutouts or extreme shaping, just simple and flat construction that gets the job done. Countersunk openings are used for the guide's ISCG tab mounting hardware, along with the short extension to accomodate the E-Type front derailleur.

Blackspire Stinger E roller
Chain guides don't get much simpler than the Stinger's simple aluminum backplate and single stepped roller.

While some dual ring guides make used of a thinner lower roller that slides on a post, following the chain from ring to ring as you shift, or a even a twin roller system, the Stinger employs a single roller with a stepped shape. The molded roller's inner diameter is slightly larger, adding all important chain tension when the in the small ring, combined with smaller diameter channel for the chain to run in when in the big ring. The roller spins on two sealed bearings, and is held in place with non-captive hardware. There is enough vertical adjustment to allow for it to work with chain rings up to 40 teeth, an important fact for many 2 x 10 drivetrains.


Performance
The Stinger should receive an award for being its easy “plug and play” installation. There are only two main elements; the backplate and the lower roller (and just nine if you count the roller and mounting hardware), making the Stinger quite simple to get running properly. Spacing was a non-issue, the only real adjustments required are to set the roller height - via the vertical slot, and roller angle by rotating the guide on its ISCG mounting holes. Our model also requires mounting the E-type front derailleur to the top of the guide, another simple procedure. They say that a three year old can figure out how to use the iPad because it’s so intuitive; well, we think that same kid could install this chain guide in about five minutes. The Blackspire guys probably also believe this because it unfortunately ships without any instructions.

Blackspire Stinger E back plate.

The Stinger E works quite well out on the hill, adding enough chain tension to cut down on noise (although not as much as a proper single ring guide) from chain slap, but also keep it from jumping off the ring when passing over rough terrain. We never once completely lost a chain after installing the Stinger E, although the chain would still jump from the big to the small ring on occasion. This happened far less often than without the Stinger E installed, and it did prevent the chain from coming off the rings all together and becoming lodged around the bottom bracket shell. Shifting performance didn't seem to be affected whatsoever, with the extra chain tension provided by the lower roller having zero affect on how fast the chain moved from ring to ring.

Blackspire uses quite a hard rubber compound for the roller in order to keep durability high, a trait that is helped by the smooth running bearings that last nearly a full season of use with zero attention. We were concerned about the sealed bearing's exposed sides, but it turned out to not be an issue and is likely a better design than if there were protective caps that might also trap water and grime underneath. Added drag was present, but minimal. It can be just be felt when pedalling in reverse by hand when the bike is in the stand, and we doubt that any rider will be concerned about lost watts with the Stinger installed.


Pinkbike's take:
bigquotesWhile it's quite understandable that aesthetics can demand a handsome price (and sometimes that can be justified), there's always a place for parts like the Stinger. It uses a smart and sensible design that gets the job done, and given how well it performs, you can't beat it when talking about bang for your buck. Two chain rings and having trouble keeping your chain on? This is likely the best $49.95 USD that you'll spend anytime soon.- Qwan Pham

www.blackspire.com

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70 Comments
  • 51 1
 It's got 2 pictures of beavers on it, therefor it must be awesome, because beavers are awesome.
  • 10 1
 Beavers ARE awesome
  • 7 0
 damn this advertising, i feel the urge to go buy a pet beaver now.
  • 2 1
 buy a pet beaver is what i said Smile wouldn't mind either to be honest !
  • 2 0
 What kind of beaver are we talking about here if you know what I mean...
  • 32 1
 Had one of those on my old all mountain rig. Solid guide at an unbeatable price
  • 5 0
 ditto that.
  • 7 0
 on my bottlerocket, no problems whatsoever and runs smooth drag free, cheap on pricepoint!
  • 7 0
 Been rocking black spire for almost 10 years now! Love it!!!
  • 4 0
 I too had a green one on my Slayer last year. The review is spot on; it goes on quite easily, looks great and performs very well. It's a tough little unit, too.
  • 3 0
 Same here, installed last year on a Trek Remedy. Works awesome, never drop a chain now. Only thing is I dont have ISCG so had to go with BB mount, and near the end of the season I must've hit it on something and it rotated up into my swing arm. Simple fix, I just had to buy a BB wrench from park tools (which is good to have anyways), but it is just something to look out for.
  • 12 0
 Nice to see a chain guide solution that isn't ridiculously overpriced.
  • 8 0
 I love my normal Stinger, and when I saw this review about the E-guide, I thought- great! I'm curious about the performance with a front derailleur! Then, nothing in the review about it- what a let down. Was it easy to mount a front derailleur? Did it work well?
  • 1 0
 Yes and yes. As I stated above, I ran an E-type ISCG on my 2X9 Slayer. It worked like a charm, particularly with my front derailleur type.
  • 6 0
 I picked one of these up cheap on Pricepoint.com, works great! I do not have a single complaint. As for the question "Could this e type design allow you to run a front mech on a bike with no mounts for a front mech?"

Maybe, maybe not. I had to track down a plastic guide to route an open cable from the bottom bracket to the front derailleur from cannondale. There needs to be an attachment point on the frame somewhere for the cable to pull on the derailleur from, you can't just mount it to the front mech. If anyone has any questions about it I can post a photo of what I had to do to run a 2x10, maybe it will work for you. Just message me
  • 1 0
 Even if your bike doesn't have a cable guide, you can get a Problem Solvers Cable Stop / Backstop. Look it up, you'll probably find one that fits your bike. I came across this when I saw somebody using a front derailleur on a Morewood Izimu.
  • 4 0
 This is a great product which works wonders. The only modification I had to make was to trim the extra plastic on the "stepped lower roller" in order to make it flat. Otherwise sometimes the chain stays on the wrong "step" of the roller and that is problematic. Backpedaling also was really messy. After flattening the roller everything works smoothly.
  • 4 0
 Just for anyone that is interested, the back plate is also available in different colous as well as the roller. I have a red one myself Smile
  • 1 0
 I do not own a Blackspire Stinger but am running two almost identical copies of Superstar Components. Even a little cheaper. One is bb-mount and the other ISCG-05, both working just fine.
Only problem I ever heard of would be that the backplate of the Superstar "version" is actually thicker then the stated 2.5mm, causing problems for some people. My bet would be, if you're unsure about this fact, go Blackspire.
About the roller: if you know someone who does inline skating or skateboarding, you can easily change bearings if you have a spare one around. Mine runs even smoother then it used to now that I fitted abec3 bearings.
  • 2 0
 I ordered one but could not mount it with my E13 40t bashguard (the same as the one above), the roller was applying too much pressure on the bashguard... am I missing something?
  • 3 0
 Why was the roller even on the bashguard? It should be close not touching. Should be able to adjust it either by sliding it around on the ISCG mounts or by adjusting the roller out. Hope that helps.
  • 2 0
 Don't know, my chainline was all messed up, with my 2x9 configuration (XTR crankset with Specialites rings) the smaller ring's screws were touching the metal plate of the Stinger... plus I could not adjust the roller not to touch the bashguard even all the way out of the slider. Funny thing is that they say you can add spacers between the ISCG tabs and the stinger if the space is too big between the stinger plate and the inner ring, but for me the space is too small! And that's with one 2.5mm spacer on the non-drive side and no spacer (just the stinger) on the drive side..
  • 1 0
 move the spacer from the left crank side, and put it on the right. This will give you a few extra mm of room, This change in chainline is usually ok on a 2x setup, but won't work ok with a 3x setup. Some bashguards are larger than standard. E thirteens are often large, depending on the model. Gamuti, Blackspire, and race face usually size accurately.
  • 1 0
 Will try, thanks! Because my chainline will be moved by 2.5mm to the right, I hope it will not make the adjustment impossible.
  • 1 0
 You know ... I had a similar issue and had to readjust the bottom bracket spacers. The person who had the frame before me had them both on one side
  • 1 0
 In my case it's same thing than SwintOrSlude.... the plate is too large and screws are hitting chainring bolts of the small 22T..... the roller is not touching gears but it's aligned a littlebit out of my 2 gears (22-34) I suppose the trouble come from the fact that my crankset is a 3x9 converted to 2x9 (removing the 44T for a chainguard....) maybee the 2 gears from a true 2x10 are not so closer from the ISCG mounts so do you have any idea if my theory is good?? thanks... And i'm not frequently speaking english so you may get incomphrensible things in my comment.... so forgive me !!!!
  • 2 0
 I have a friend who has a Niner WFO frame and this is exactly what's happening. He ended up putting an additional spacer on the drive side to clear it. It works ok but not the best. I would recommend the Bionicon C Guide in your situation.
  • 1 0
 I liked mine but decided I didn't need it. They forgot to mention that if it knocks on something like a log it rotates which can be annoying.

I think I'll buy another one just to have when everyone buys the new derailleurs and these go on sale for $15
  • 1 0
 You can buy mine; it's for sale currently.
  • 1 0
 as usual with a critical opinion on things. My only complaint is with the roller that uses one big bearing on the outside having the rubber part rubb on the inside part of the axle. Better design would be 2 smaller bearings. quite good guide used to run it on my sx-trail years ago.
  • 1 0
 Got 3 of these, amazing pieces of kit, fit them and forget it, easy mainentance and replacement rollers are only £7 whats not to like. I think e13 and the like need to take note really £100 for a single ring guide when realistically all your doing is adding a top guide ? not on IMO
  • 1 0
 Wait so there's a stinger E thats bb mount? So I can get it and have an etype FD on my rig with no ISCG tabs? Looks like I'll be replacing my normal stinger, wish I knew before I grabbed it.
  • 2 0
 but you need a Frame thats made for E-type!
  • 1 0
 This thing made me forget about dropping chains, I was surprised when I was riding my friend's bike and I it happened. So weird.. However, unexpected switches from big to small ring do happen.
  • 1 0
 I have one and it works really well. It's really quiet, the shifts are perfect and I haven't dropped a chain since putting it on. I got installation instructions with mine too so that's a bonus.
  • 3 0
 much better than DMR, never bends or disapoints in any way. Worth the price
  • 2 0
 Hmm, looks interesting. I'm unfamiliar with E-type front derailleurs, so gotta ask: would this guide and an E-type derailleur be compatable with an Iron Horse MkIII frame?
  • 1 0
 Has your frame got ISCG-05 mounts? Probably yes then.
  • 1 0
 the mkiii doesn't take an e-type derailleur. you'd need a bb-mount version. i didn't have this version on mine, but i had the regular blackspire stinger and it worked.
  • 1 0
 I found its stupid brother at Superstar.
superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=336
If you change the roller to Blackspire's, you'll beat it!
  • 2 0
 I have one on my faithful Stinky, cant fault it and keeps the chain on well.
  • 4 0
 failproof
  • 1 0
 do you know if this will work for a specialized enduro with three sprockets in the front? would i have to drop the biggest sprocket?
  • 1 0
 Can someone help me out and tell me which version I need for my Slayer 2011

I suppose ISCG 05 mount!?
RIght?

Thanks in advance :-)
  • 2 0
 looks like you need the Stinger E Mount according to the RM website.

Here's what is spec'ed on their slayer 70 "Gearing (FR) Shimano SLX E Mount"
  • 1 0
 you are right Stinger E Mount but there are different opptions

ISCG 05, ISCG or BB mount

I know it is not BB mount..

So ISCG 05 or ISCG... it's about the fitting ISCG is smaller than ISCG 05 and ISCG 05 was introduced 2005

Thats all I found out :-/

Even the rocky mountain website didn't help me out...
  • 1 0
 I found this on the huck-n-roll site that sells the bikes. here's the 2012 www.hucknroll.com/rocky-mountain-slayer-70-bike-2012

"Lightweight RaceFace Turbine cranks with bashguard let you ride over obstacles, and an ISCG05-mounted inner guide prevents chain suck"

also watch this video: www.pinkbike.com/video/132507 -- at 1:57 he says the E-type FD mounts to the rear swing arm, I'm not sure without looking but you might check if the FD moves independent of the BB. It probably shouldn't. and based on what I see, it mounts nicely to the frame. You'd just want to see if the backplate will clear if you mount the guide on. Maybe a email to Blackspire would be the way to go.
  • 1 0
 Thank you very much for all your effort :-)

I will write them an E-Mail

Let's see how long it will take to get a response!
  • 1 0
 I found it out

The Rocky Mountain Slayer 2011 has an ISCG mount :-)

The E-type construction won't work on the bike either
so take the one without the e-type

You will be still able to use it with two chainrings

So who needs the e-type anyway?
I really don't know
  • 3 0
 no fancy technologies that really works.
  • 2 0
 The only! go to chainguide if you don't have ISCG tabs and have an e-type derailleur.
  • 2 0
 I have used this product on three bikes and it is perfect. It works well, looks good and is priced reasonably. 5/5!!!!!
  • 1 0
 I coupled this with a Gamut bash and got a cheaper-than-prepackaged, awesome guide for my 2x10 Trek Remedy. Highly recommended!
  • 2 0
 Can you mount it and then take the roller part of when you don't need a chain guide and then easily reinstall when you do?
  • 2 0
 yes
  • 2 0
 Been rockin' the standard one for days now, Possibly the best return on a $30 investment I've ever gotten on a bike part.
  • 2 0
 Ive had the stinger dual ring on three different trail bikes within 3 years. it probably seen 1000 miles, it wont die.
  • 1 1
 Had one on my Reign. First log I rolled over destroyed it. Any roller that sits below the bash guard is a bad idea. Maybe it is just the Reign.... Otherwise it does hold the chain on.
  • 1 0
 I had a similar thing happen with my E-13 DRS - If I was going up a ledge that hit the back plate, the back plate would rotate up, eventually it could rotate into the chainstay.

What do you do now instead?
  • 1 0
 Took it off and put it on the shelf....
  • 1 2
 So let me get this straight? For 2 more holes (E-type mounting) I'm paying almost double the price over the standard mount? f*ck outta here lol. Why the big price increase? I see nothing's that changed. But they do work. I have 2 of the regular ones.
  • 1 0
 Could this e type design allow you to run a front mech on a bike with no mounts for a front mech?
  • 1 0
 NO!! Thats not possible... the front mech needs to be bolted to the frame.. So you need a E-Type specific frame.
  • 3 0
 beaver's rule!
  • 2 0
 Would this fit on my Spesh Camber Pro 2011?
  • 1 0
 I thought blackspire died from guanarrhea, oh well good to see them back in action
  • 1 0
 solved the chain problems on my IronHorse 7 point, works perfect
  • 2 0
 I'm sold! Do want!!!
  • 1 4
 those are solid! until they break off your mounts........ E-13 all the way with chain guides imo
  • 1 0
 ethirteen are £100, the stinger is £25*

*Being modest







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