Another look at Amaury Pierron's Commencal. In the team's quest to find the optimum level of stiffness they're experimenting with different chainstay thicknesses, and also have a removable bridge.
Connor Fearon's Forbidden Supernaught
Fearon's is running the new Pademelon steering damper. Located in Tasmania, Pademelon is the project of Jeremiah Boobar. It's based on the Hopey steering damper design, although there have been some changes that will be revealed when the system officially launches.
Pivot's lugged carbon prototype waiting for its wheels.
Two chains, many pivots.
Yeti's Special Projects DH bike. It still doesn't sound like there are plans to release it to the public any time soon, but it sure does look nice...
Mick Hannah is here racing his first World Cup since retiring in 2021.
We Are One's Canadian-made DH prototype.
Lots of gold going on at Fox for their 50th anniversary.
Reece Wilson's Scottish blue Boxxer - even the axle has been anodized blue.
A custom painted Giant Glory for Remi Thirion.
Remi Thirion's is also running a Pademelon steering damper
Dakotah Norton is running prototype clipless pedals from Yoshimura. He's been very involved in the development process, trying various designs to find the one that suits his preferences.
Vali Holl's white and gold Boxxer has been attracting plenty of attention - here it is with RockShox's Flight Attendant system waiting for a battery.
The shock also has Flight Attendant - the system can automatically adjust the compression damping level of the fork and shock, firming them up for smoother sections and softening them for the rougher bits.
Yeti's bike looks more polished and production ready then some companies' showroom models.
Super interesting to see that they've gone to a multi-link, variable position, high-pivot, horst link for DH applications...
I came here to say the same thing. Moreover, despite many reasons for me not purchasing a Yeti (geometry, price, etc.), they almost always look very attractive. I’m not sure if it’s the simplicity of shapes or what (maybe someone with a design background could offer their opinion).
I just can't get on board with Fox's gold color. I'm trying, but it just looks cheap to me. Like a 1980 Pontiac TransAm in black with the big gold eagle on the hood that eventually cracks and looks like shit. I know, color has nothing to do with performance, but it just turns me off.
I agree. Not into the black crown, kashima stanchions, and gold lowers. Would have been cooler to do a gold crown, black stanchions, and gold lowers in my opinion.
I like it even more now that it's been compared to a Pontiac TransAm. Cut the sleeves of them tshirts, grab a sixer of Schlitz, do a smokey burnout and let the good times roll!
I mean, they insulted our eyes with that horrible orange lowers for the last few years so gold almost looks great if it wasn't some Rockshox Mag21 and Psylo copycat but maybe next year they will come up with something not looking terrible, we can hope.
marketing genius is about to play kashima lowers reduce drag whilst their new black coating is more resilient to damage - cue the role reversal and sales pitch
@Binderclip: haha yeah! Think they picked the wrong part of dreadnought for the name. Ie dread nothing becomes super nothing! Superdread would've been better.
Also is it a typo as its the Forbidden Dreadnought (like the battleship) so shouldn't it be Supernought?
@Struggleteam: If there's one thing Bernard doesn't lack, it's commitment. I'm confident he'll be ripping as hard as ever to get that win so he can finally retire.
@JLantz: THIS^^ Of all the "erector set" looking lugged assembly bikes I've ever seen this is the best looking by far! And funny that's they didn't try and hide//blend in the metal bits...
Honest question. Remember when Evil almost went under a few years ago because of frame issues, but people with cracking Commencal frames are all like, "haha yeah, mine did it too." And they still keep selling out. Why is it so different?
Probably cost. The evil revolt was 15 years ago now (I know I know, I feel old too) and it was as expensive as any other premium dh frame at the time, and I imagine they didn't shift massive numbers, Vs commencal which are direct sales and cheap for the spec, so I know I see loads of them (anecdotal I know) and most don't snap, it's like Kona Stinky's from the mid to late 00s, there were that many of them about that they got a reputation for snapping when really most were tanks that just kept going. Same with canyon, they've got a durability issue on some models, yt had the capra head tube issues, most companies have an issue at some point, but it's how they deal with them/how well they can ride it out, evil were a relatively new brand back to the market, (obviously they'd been a big name 10 years earlier but faded away a little) and might not have had the capital to properly take the hit while designing and producing a new bike (the undead, carbon form a new supplier which supposedly sorted the durability issues, but at the time people were even more wary of carbon so redesigning a bike known for snapping in a material people thought would snap didn't equate to massive sales).
Probably #'s somewhere. Evil might not be as big as Commencal, but we're talking DH bikes here - not many get sold by most brands.
But with Evil, didn't basically every single Revolt end up cracking? I mean there was a whole container of them that was pretty much only good for scrap aluminum. I had a friend that didn't even ride his many times (talking like 20 probably...) and even it cracked.
Evils still break all the time judging from YouTube videos and the multiple comments attached. Seems like the warranty is good though and the bikes ride great so people do by them.
Maybe commencal is similar
Evil denied the issue for a long time, refused warranties, left people out to dry, etc.. Commencal warranties pretty quickly with little to no questions asked.
That We Are One proto looks wicked fast and sci fi. Yep, it's not a finished product and what not, but man, it just somehow gets me more excited than any of the polished stuff.
Wonder if that Pademelon steering damper has return to center dampening like some of the moto stabilizers? That's the most moto like setup i have seen to date. Return to center dampening was a game changer when racing harescrambles and enduro. Would make a alot of sense for DH if you clip a tree or a stupid course pillow. Could prevent a hugie.
I thought I remember hearing Jack Moir say there's no resistance back to center. He's running one this year and was testing it recently on some of his YouTube videos and was talking about it.
Do you know a universal one easily available which returns to neutral (like the KIS from canyon) by chance? I haven’t found anything interesting. My gf suffered from a stroke last year and we start planning on having her back on a mtb, I was thinking that a steerer damper could be really helpful for her condition
I loved my Hopey dampener back in the day. I was 3-5 seconds faster with it on most courses, with way less arm fatigue. The time advantage and arm fatigue went away when I got my first 820mm bars so I stopped using it.
Tracks have gotten rougher, speeds have increased and wheels have gotten bigger since then. I would love to see the time saved or fatigue saved with the new dampener.
I've run Scotts for years and experimented with the Precision damper for a couple years - all good dirt damper these days have no or reduced damping returning to center. It's a dirt bike so maybe not exactly the same requirements as a DH MTB, but intuitively (not to say I am right) I'd think you'd want zero return to center damping, like on the Scotts. The Scotts is by far the most popular damper across the board, here is their take on it:
@RadBartTaylor: I didn't have the right mounts when I first switched from a Husky to a Sherco, and it felt really weird and twitchy to ride until I finally got my Scotts damper swapped over. I feel zero downsides with it on the moto. I feel like it's all about reducing the outward deflection. What you can feel when you punch the bars. You definitely want speed sensitive damping, and no damping back to center IMO.
"Yeti's Special Projects DH bike. It still doesn't sound like there are plans to release it to the public any time soon" this is a finished carbon frame, not some lung-based prototype. no reason to go this far if they don't want to sell it.
Yeah I dont understand either. Yeti cultists would gobble that up even if they don't ride downhill. Also, thought companies had to sell the bikes to the public if they are putting their racers on them, though maybe I am mistaken.
I might have missed the press release but what's the benefit of the 2 chains with the Pivot bike? At first I assumed it had a gear box but looks like it's got a standard derailleur. Why not just run the chain the same way all the other high pivot bikes do??
The prototype bikes look so rad. I love seeing all the rough engineered bits. Some say it looks like a unfinished basement, but I'm a fan. Basement projects are awesome when they're fast AF.
Kinda strange how the chain on that Yeti doesn't clear the chainstay but is resting on the front of it. Maybe the assumption is that while you're pedaling it there'll be some suspension sag so the chain would clear it?
...Anyone know how to watch it from NZ? :] stans geo-blocked, thought skysport might have it - dosent appear so, gcn+ no longer, vpn to some cycling-live site meh.... there must be a way.... thoughts?
This season I am looking at buying a new enduro bike. Seeing all these high pivot DH bikes has me feeling very pivotal about whether I should buy a high pivot or not. My thoughts and feelings keep on pivoting. Pivoting on the benefits of the highs and lows of such frame design with not only 2 cog pulleys, but 3. Keeping the bike I currently have, cost- zero dollars. Buying a new or used non high pivot enduro bike, cost- more than zero dollars. Buying a new or used high pivot enduro bike, cost- more than zero dollars.
Not sure naming a race bike "super nothing" is great though...
Superdread would've been better.
Also is it a typo as its the Forbidden Dreadnought (like the battleship) so shouldn't it be Supernought?
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But with Evil, didn't basically every single Revolt end up cracking? I mean there was a whole container of them that was pretty much only good for scrap aluminum. I had a friend that didn't even ride his many times (talking like 20 probably...) and even it cracked.
Lately, things just don't seem the same
Actin' funny but I don't know why
'Scuse me while I kiss the sky
My gf suffered from a stroke last year and we start planning on having her back on a mtb, I was thinking that a steerer damper could be really helpful for her condition
I had one of those,it was great.
www.scottsonline.com/litrack/101.pdf
this is a finished carbon frame, not some lung-based prototype. no reason to go this far if they don't want to sell it.
....next snap?
....next dentist?