Introducing the 2010
Dobermann Bikes Pinscher evolutions.
The 2010 Pinscher is now available, here's some spec's and info on them :
Working in small production batches allows us to tweek our designs as needed. Since the Pinscher's debut in 2005, the geo of the Pinscher and Molosse have not changed much (besides shorter chainstays). The geometry shared by those 2 frames is perfectly dialed and is the main feature of our frames! This geo will make your bike feel lighter and you will see an improvement in your riding in just a few rides.
We are working with frame "evolutions" rather than frame "model years", as some frames made in the spring might be slightly different from a frame of the same year produced in the fall. Most of the evo's found on the 2010 frames that are produced as we speak can be found on the 09 frames produced in the last six months (the new custom single butted top tube was added to the frames last summer).
Here's what's new on the 2010 Pinscher evolution :
-Custom single butted top tube With the ever-increasing level of riding, popularity of rigid forks and new tricks that are abusing frames in ways that we haven't seen before (180's, foot jams, ect.) We needed to re-enforce our top tube to prevent deformation. We did some tests using super high-end alloys and specialty tubes, but the ultimate way to make it bomb-proof without adding weight and costs was to have some custom single butted tubes made for us by True Temper. The new top tubes are now much thicker at the head tube and gradually get thinner going down to the seat tube. This new tube allowed us to save some weight at the same time!
-24 or 26 inch specific At the "demande générale" we have designed some new drop-outs that are specific for the wheel size of your choice. This allowed us to make smaller/cleaner drop outs which are lighter and where you can slam your hub axle all the way in. The classic 24/26 dropouts are still available at no extra cost on request.
Spec's and Geo overview : Material : True temper and aerospace 4130 cromoly tubing
Sizes : 21.5'', 22.5'' and custom top-tube lengths
Weight : 24'': 5.1lbs short , 26'': 5.4lbs short
Colors : Trans-Blue, White, Flat-BLK, Purple + 100's of custom colors
Head tube : 1 1/8'' press fit, 110mm length.
BB : 73mm euro
Dropouts : 10x135mm (regular MTB hub)
Brake: Disk brake mounts (Vbrake option available)
Seat tube : 11.5'' long (all sizes), 31.6mm seat post, 34.9mm seat clamp
Head angle: 72°( both wheel size, 427mm Tchokr Fork)
Seat angle: 74° ( both wheek size, 427mm Tchokr Fork)
BB location : -6.4 mm from the axle line (both wheel size)
BB height: 26's: 12,7/8''(327mm) , 24's: 12, 1/8''(307.9mm)
Chainstay length: 15'' (381 mm) on 26's , 14.173' '(360 mm) on 24's
Wheel base :973 mm (small 24''), 1001 mm(small 26''), 994 mm(large 24''), 1022 mm(large 26'')
Standover height: 24'' on 26's , 23''on 24's (top tube and seat tube junction)
Warranty : 1 year for manufacturing defect and regular riding failure.
Crash replacement: 3 years of crash replacement deals if for some reason your are struck by bad luck and your problems are not covered by our warranty
MSRP: starts at 525$CAD
Dealers and Distributors inquiries are welcome! Fabrication Dobermann Inc.www.dobermannbikes.comEmail:
dobmaster@dobermannbikes.comPhone: 819-682-5948
Fax: 819-682-3300
Dobermann Pinscher 26 in stock Purple
Dobermann Pinscher 26 in stock Purple
Dobermann Pinscher 26 in stock Purple
Dobermann Pinscher 24 in stock Trans-blue
Dobermann Pinscher 24 in stock Trans-blue
Dobermann Pinscher 24 in stock Trans-blue
MidBB and integrated Headset would be a great option for me
the 09frame rides so good
i think the 2010 frame with mid bb, 24" dropouts and int. headset would be the perfect frame for me
i never wanna ride an other frame than a Dobermann
about the molosse bb shell this link was what i was going from:
www.ride-this.com/index.php/dobermann-bikes-molosse-frame.html
but if its a mid its a mid mid and spanish look the same dont they? just press fit bearings and a spacer in between with the spindle through? (i have a static plan b which runs a spanish bb)
If its was only up to me all dob frames would have MID’s. But we cant, that’s why we have MID in option and stock on the Molosse.
Integrated seat clamp also look very neat , but we have found that they cause more trouble on the long run. If we use the regular one they can be hard to tight so you have to use lots of torque on them wish result in cracks. The other more ‘’sophisticated’’ designs are be more expensive to produce, they add weigh or cause problem like this
We are big fans of K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple Stupid) we never ad any problem with regular cheap ass seat clamp…Why jump in a trend that could cause some problem to our product ?
As for the seat tube size…we use a large and thick seat tube because that’s the aria were most frame fails du to rotational tricks. Larger and thicker tube will prevent this from happening.
We can produce a lighter frame, but we feel the frame we offer now are in perfect balance between performance/weight/strength and price, at 525$ Canadian the Pinscher less expensiv then some Taiwanese made frames.
There are alot of room for improvement on this frame from what I can see also your frames arent as strong as you hype em up to be i hope you do understand that i mean the most broken mtbmx frame i seen is the pincher so in my eyes you just makeing another ordanary overpriced frame i did welding for awhile matierial wise and labour wise it doesnt take to much time or money to make that frame even if you are useing tig the slowest kind of welding
dobermann is one of the only hand made frames left now that black market and s&m split..the quality is soo much better then in taiwanese frames
I've seen one frame with ripples in the top tube, but the top tube is different now so that shouldn't happen any more
yes..you pay 75$ more on the frame, but as you said, you have acces to cheaper and stronger bb and rear hub.
For some reasons...some people dont want MID'S...and are 100% happy with euro bb.
Im still keepin with my saying.
Beside chainstay length, the geo is the same since the first production frame back in 05.
how many people know about this frame?
it tops NS and dob put together.
i mean no internal headset and a eurobb and a over sized seat tube with no internal seatclamp on a street/dirt frame
its about time mtb companys realize that bmx design is the way forward
Way for improvenmt pink bike you know if noone points out the obvious MTBMX as a sport is gona go nowere so grow up!
Euro bbs are a terble idea, they have the smallest bearings out of all the bbs (this is why bmx companys replaced euro with spanish the biger the bearings longer the bb life). Internal seat clamp how ever is a bad idea, It causes alot of stress to the seat tube causing cracks, so standard seat clamps are the way to go just make the seat tube shorter. However he is also right with the over sized seat tube, mtbmx should standard 25.4(1") seat tubes because lets face it everyone does run bmx seat and post combos on better yet a intigrated pivotal seat mount.
There are alot of rooms for improvement on this frame from what I can see so grow up pink bike this frame isint all that dont treat it like its the frame of gods or something after all, there are better frames like a certian someone on there ex team who sold the dob for a superco and now on the transition team...hmmmmmm I wonder what thats saying.
As for the pro going for superco and Transition...its a long story...We cant make everyone happy... But there is a few pros out there that are sponsored by otter brands and use our frames with out decals. Also in the next few weeks or so we will announce some new riders joining our crew, Those guys could be riding any frame on the market, they chose us, not because we are giving them $ or tones of free bike, they chose us because they like the product, they like us, they believe in us, they are proud and happy to join our venture and there knowledge will help the evolution of our products.
As for your welding comment... i believe i have told you before. Your welcome to the shop anytime to see how we work, we could even let you play with our machines. Hell...i will pay your buss tickets!
and the new frames look sweet, nice work, as always.