Inside the Industry Nine Hub - Sea Otter, Day 1 by RichardCunningham

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husstler (Apr 14, 2011 at 16:50)

I would like to see an ultimate failure test for freehubs where they go in a dyno of some sort and get tested for max torque, max total RPM before engagement failure, etc...

dh-pete (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:47)

Industry 9 and King both test theirs, claiming they can each take over 700 pounds of torque before any failure occurs. Similar to the output of a F1 car...

husstler (Apr 14, 2011 at 18:21)

700 ft/lb torque is certainly impressive!

It would still be great to see a third party standardized test with some high end Shimano hubs, Hope, King, I9, Ringle, etc on the same machine under the same conditions. Several years ago a UK bike mag had disc brakes tested on a dyno for ultimate failure characteristics, so it's definitely possible.

GabrielDugas (Apr 14, 2011 at 18:50)

might be interresting, but humain legs are still not that powerfull :p 1000fb/lb or 300fb/lb won't make any difference to me !

D-Owen (Apr 14, 2011 at 19:03)

700 ft lb can mean anything, its where the power is measured. There is a lot more force on the freehub than measurable at the wheel, but i bet it makes a lot of clicks!

freirider (Apr 14, 2011 at 19:54)

@ D-Owen, they are talking about at the freehub. the point of failure of a complete wheel would happen at where the spokes either meet the rim or hub. but the freehub can take 700ft-lb force.

badbadleroybrown (Apr 14, 2011 at 21:12)

Yeah, the wheel would blowup under the torque before the freehubs would give out and slip.

and, @d-owen, yes they do make a lot of clicks... sounds like a swarm of bees chasing you down the trail, lol.

husstler (Apr 14, 2011 at 21:15)

Waaait a minute. Are you trying to tell me that 32 bicycle spokes can't handle 700 ft/lb of torque?

badbadleroybrown (Apr 14, 2011 at 21:30)

Well... if it's built right... lmao. No way!

I wonder how much torque a person actually throws down in a hard effort?

volcom90 (Apr 14, 2011 at 21:42)

For 12 bucks a spoke ill stick to my Hope used to own a set was way to hard to maintain not to mention the small .005 mm allen key used to take the pawls apart is just to fustrating to find and to use with out bending or breaking it just my opinnion look nice but not practicle for the every day rider

goxbigxorxgoxhome (Apr 14, 2011 at 23:03)

... and now show me a rider who can give you 700 ft / lb

nhp890 (Apr 15, 2011 at 2:01)

even if you'd find a rider able to put 700fl/tb on his pedals, the chain will snap right away

goxbigxorxgoxhome (Apr 15, 2011 at 2:05)

True !

husstler (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:47)

A Jens Factor HC effort is unanimously accepted as >900 ft lb torque.

D-Owen (Apr 15, 2011 at 9:01)

what i was trying to say is that with different gear ratios u can get more or less torque at the freehub. And i takes alot more stress than the wheel.

manchicken (Apr 15, 2011 at 9:07)

@goxbigxorxgoxhome jared graves lol.

looks like a sick hub all in all, but im fine with my hope for now... apart from the drilled out rotor bolt hole

badbadleroybrown (Apr 15, 2011 at 10:26)

I wouldn't be shocked if a top pro could throw down an momentary torque value in the range of 200-300 ft/lb... Figure even 150lb rider just standing on a 175mm crank arm parralel to the ground would be something like 80-85 ft/lb. Bigger guys putting out a hard effort would have some crazy high torque spikes. The averages wouldn't be near as high but I bet it'd be pretty shocking how much torque some of the drivetrain is exposed to for short moments.

yannickbisson (Apr 15, 2011 at 11:41)

Loud as hell and transmit lots of chatter....BUT stiff as hell!..I've had my Enduro set laced to 5.1Ds for 4 seasons, got em used, ridden Bromont w DH tires, Hucked my meat 8-10 feet of vert, and ridden them countless kms of trail. In this time, I've only sheared 3 spokes (1 branch in spoke) (5 spares were included) Save for replacing drive side bearing, greasing pawls once and annual thight/true Never have i had ANY trouble. Note, they do require removing the tire to push through the spoke

gnarbar (Apr 14, 2011 at 21:03)

I don't want to seem like an arse, but given that this article has just three lines, we have yet another typo: "Contact Industry Nine for a look at some IF the most beautiful wheels on the planet"....needs moar proofreading

cyfa89 (Apr 15, 2011 at 13:04)

you spelt moar wrong haha!
but good point

gnarbar (Apr 15, 2011 at 16:13)

that....WAS the point

cyfa89 (Apr 18, 2011 at 8:34)

haha nice

summit800 (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:21)

i do love industry nine and when it comes to pawled style hubs they have it down. but god dam ring drive is just impossible to compete against, king still takes it away as far as innovation goes... price though is another story.

jonnymerge (Apr 15, 2011 at 8:27)

Best wheels I have ever owned. Instant engagement, will never blow up another freehub body in the backcountry again, and I can change a spoke in five minutes without removing rotors or cassettes. Keep up the great work I9!!!

trialsinmachine (Apr 15, 2011 at 19:27)

I use the SS hub for trials and it lasted a year before the main bearing developed play (That's very good for trials). Never slipped on me or made me loose trust in engagement. Unlike most other drivetrain parts. I vote for I9

more45 (Apr 14, 2011 at 16:50)

sweet stuff.. any reason why it takes over a month to get spokes from I9 though? where still waiting here in ontario

frdh (Apr 14, 2011 at 16:56)

well it takes time to machine, anodize, and assemble each set. Every order is custom/is nothing but a billet aluminum block when you place the order. I waited almost 6 months for my gold set.

more45 (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:14)

so they dont have a pile of the stock silver spokes kicking around? ..if i was asking for a SET as in wheelSET. would have listed it. very interesting

arekieh (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:20)

you waited 6 months of spokes or wheelset?
Hes talking about spokes..... they should have a ton of spares in all colors lieing all over the place

husstler (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:24)

^ Wow, nice work on the English there.

arekieh (Apr 15, 2011 at 15:03)

thnk yu kindley

vsong FL (Apr 14, 2011 at 21:47)

Industry Nine is doing amazing things, but damn, there prices are up there. Puts the average rider's budget so far out of reach.

goxbigxorxgoxhome (Apr 14, 2011 at 23:08)

yep you're right !
its up to you ... buy a Marzocchi 888 RC3 World Cup a Rock Shox BoXXer World Cup a Fox 40 RC2 ... OR buy a i9 wheelset
thats seriosley crazy !

steezejenkins (Apr 15, 2011 at 8:13)

i have a world cup and i9's

vsong FL (Apr 15, 2011 at 21:12)

@Steezejenkins, I also have a 2010 Boxxer World Cup and FR2350 Wheelset, but that's not the point. The point is I would like to see Industry Nine make a more affordable wheelset, so the average rider like myself doesn't have to blow an entire paycheck on a wheelset. I've worked hard for all my parts, I'd just to not feel so poor afterwards.

cyfa89 (Apr 15, 2011 at 13:13)

nice system they got going here i think it beats bringing out ten speed and such and such refinind what we already have great bet i couldnt afford them though even if i was a ladyboy in thailand!

fatlarry (Apr 14, 2011 at 16:48)

Would love to see a comparison of other freehubs on the market, including demo video per brand like he showed here.

swearmouth (Apr 14, 2011 at 23:49)

100% the best overall wheelset I have ever ridden and owned.

tiny2 (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:50)

Was it me or the camera man and I were more focussed on the girl on the back?

rubbman (Apr 14, 2011 at 16:47)

how much $$ will find out on sat!

arekieh (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:21)

oops

pierszdan (Apr 14, 2011 at 23:20)

Mr. Jacob would be amazed by how much more clearly everyone can hear him, when he actually opens his mouth to speak!

funkymonkey144 (Apr 14, 2011 at 16:54)

ooo shiny logo animation there at the end

arekieh (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:21)

Does anybody know what the 3 deg vs 20 deg translates in crank rotation?

collin7 (Apr 14, 2011 at 17:40)

All depends what gear you're in man. If you're in a gear that drives the wheel approximately one rotation for every rotation you pedal, then that would obviously translate to 3 degress vs 20 degrees. But if you're in a real low gear your cranks are going to spin a hell of a lot more.

smike (Apr 14, 2011 at 18:42)

He's talking about engagement point, which has nothing to do with which gear you're in. It's pretty simple really: one crank rotation is 360 degrees, so think of 3 degrees as your rotation divided up into 120 even portions. i.e. it's pretty much instant engagement. When you turn a "traditional" crank, you will feel a deadspot before it engages. If you think of 20 degrees, your 360 degree rotation is only divided up 18 times, so if you think of those as "pie slices", they are very large slices compared to the 3 deg ones.

smike (Apr 14, 2011 at 18:46)

That being said, he claims that industry standard is 20-25 degrees, which I think is BS. Most freehubs (even cheaper ones) usually start at around 24 engagement points, which is 15 degrees. Still a big difference than 3 degrees, but not as bad as 20-25.

smike (Apr 14, 2011 at 18:49)

Actually I thought about it again and collin7 is absolutely right... my bad... it only took me 5 minutes to realize that one crank rotation doesn't necessarily equal one freehub rotation. Duh.

cyfa89 (Apr 15, 2011 at 13:11)

have you ever turned your pedals back ever so slightly and then forward again until it takes up the chain slack
and then you do it a few more times but go to far and then your crank arm is in a different position/not as far forward/slightly bacward (depending on the angle you might have been doing this)

this is pawl engagement
if you had one of these hubs, the little thing i mentioned above would be very hard to do/would have barely any movement

does that make sense?

arekieh (Apr 15, 2011 at 15:04)

Yep it does thanks

guancho-libre (Apr 14, 2011 at 18:45)

Man I wish the made a ss hub with a driver, I would be all over that

zorba73 (Apr 14, 2011 at 19:27)

Good for riding skinnies.

JKSR (Apr 15, 2011 at 6:39)

Quick engagement is here its at.