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kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Feb 8, 2018 at 17:10
Feb 8, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
@SleeplessDH: As I said I'm done with this conversation if you have a problem with me or other people racing contact the UCI or their countries cycling governing body. Because clearly, you know more than the sports scientists working for the UCI and IOC? Your claims are at odds with the studies done by the IOC and I'd love to read your peer-reviewed study which proves that trans woman has a physical advantage over born woman (beyond the normal advantages within each gender, I mean we don't stop Michael Phelps swimming because he has the ideal body for swimming). https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/2bc3fc_c2d4035ff5684f41a813f6d04bc86e02.pdf Lower T levels cause muscular atrophy, bone density changes, muscle fibre characteristic changes and a bunch of other changes which shift the athlete's physical abilities from that of a man to that of a woman, the same way a trans man would get stronger and gain more bone density from adding T. This is a hard conversation and we can't make blanket statements like saying every trans woman has an advantage over every born female, but I don't think we can say that every trans woman doesn't have an advantage over every born woman, I think decisions about competing need to be left up to governing bodies. The Cycling NZ policy covers your statement about the top ten pros nicely and you can give that a read here: https://www.cyclingnewzealand.nz/media/3449/3449.pdf For anyone interested in this subject this interview covers the reasoning behind the current IOC and UCI transgender policies: https://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018629548
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Feb 4, 2018 at 19:41
Feb 4, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
Also as a point of comparison at the first race example I gave, the winning men's time was a 2:00, so at around 20 seconds behind my results are fairly consistent, I haven't gotten any faster from those races to this race, it was just I didn't have any healthy/fit elite woman competition.
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Feb 4, 2018 at 19:28
Feb 4, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
@brutaldroppin: I'm really over this whole conversation at this point but don't make claims about things you don't know for sure about, I wasn't racing ever at a "near professional level" (If I had cycling NZ wouldn't have allowed me to swap its one of their rules, I couldn't have raced pro-elite men for at least 4 years before swapping), I raced in the casual men's field, not the elite field (fastest causal man wouldn't normally be top 5 in elite) and barely ever got top tens. Also at the Rotorua race Shania, who normally would be far closer to me, has glandular fever and fell over after her race run in severe pain, she was far from racing at 100%. Normally she would be much closer to me. e.g. at the last race, she was fully healthy for, my fastest run was a 2:23 hers was a 2:26 and the winning elite woman Vinny Armstrong had a 2:22. Another race, Shania had a 2:19 and I had a 2:16, Vinny a 2:17 Or another recent race where (a very jump based track where I hit all the jumps and Shania did not) I got a 2:32 and she got a 2:37. At the time Vinny wasn't even really training and she beat me, whereas I train my butt off, that's just racing. The reason I am fast is that I am in the gym 4 days a week and ride 3 days a week, I train harder than most of the men in the men's field and yet I can barely pull at top ten. I'm performing at a high level straight away because I've spent the last 2 years training as hard as any of the other people who compete at world cups, men or women (given not the pros but at a privateer level). I've had to push myself to hit the jumps and hard lines to feel good about myself and try to be competitive in the men's field so that would explain why I do tend to beat the other girls, however, its never by a crazy amount. Also if you wanna have a respectful discussion about fairness in our sport I'd appreciate it if you didn't use abusive language such as trannie. I'm done here but I don't think its fair for you to make claims without all the evidence or to assume I'm some near world cup racer who's put a wig on and speaks in falsetto.
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Jan 25, 2018 at 20:22
Jan 25, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
@SleeplessDH: Honestly you raise a fair question but the science says ((https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/) that I don't have any advantage and for all, we know a pro level men's athletes may lose their speed similar to how I did? I don't know, all I know is that I'm following what the UCI/IOC and various national sporting bodies dictate and can show (at least in my case) what they say is accurate with a loss of strength and speed. Although you are right this isn't just about me I have had people message me directly to tell me to stop racing so I do feel like at least to some degree I need to justify my own place in this sport.
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Jan 23, 2018 at 13:54
Jan 23, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
@Barbeer66, as I said in previous comments I've met all requirements set by the UCI and Cycling NZ above and beyond, also the only reason the winning margin was so much, was because second place was sick and 3rd hadn't ridden downhill before.
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Jan 23, 2018 at 13:09
Jan 23, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
@AlanMck: I'm very much in this boat as I haven't competed against any other high level (and fully fit) kiwi girls so far this year, I will be competing in the NZ national Champs and Crankworx (which normally brings at least a few pro woman) and I'm willing to bet that they will smash me but I think before people jump down my throat about political correctness, like you said lets wait and see how I actually compare. Also this kind of thing needs to not be a blanket statement because there are plenty of born men who are smaller and weaker and thus less suited naturally for sport than some born woman, its too hard a topic to say that "all men have an advantage of all woman" which is what some people here seem to be saying. I think this conversation is pointless at this point anyway because until I can prove with results against other girls as healthy/race ready as me people aren't really going to listen. Also I have spoken to some girls I race against and some are really cool with it and think it will be positive for the sport and others are like the majority on here and think I'll have a negative impact, the positive peoples view is that like in the men's field there will be more pressure for everyone to get better and go faster. As I said before if I start winning every race and thus impact our sport negatively then I'll stop racing, because regardless of whether that person who wins is trans or not only having one winner gets boring fast.
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Jan 22, 2018 at 11:50
Jan 22, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
@Deuce-DeuceAndAHalf: For me, to race, I haven't just "tucked my dick" as people would like to say, I had to meet every requirement set by the UCI and IOC before I could even compete on a non-professional national circuit of races. I need to have a born females amount of testosterone for more than a year (10 n/mol) however I have met this above and beyond considering my T levels are WELL below a female level, with my levels being at 0.5 +/- 0.5 n/mol, and I've been at these levels for well over the required time limit, the descion to allow me to compete was made on the fact that I am 20 and haven't had a male puberty (hormone blockers at 17) and thus haven't got the muscular advantage everyone is telling me I have (honestly if you can help me put out more than 900 W max power tell me how because I'd love to be stronger). When I said podium in open men I meant I got 5th once with a time still more than 10 seconds off the winning open men time, and more than 30 seconds off the winning pro elite time (in NZ we have a casual and pro categories) I was never even close to being able to compete at an international level. I'm not trying to change the world I just want to race in a sport I love, and if I start winning every race by an unreasonable amount considering the training I put in then you have my word I'll stop competing at this level, however I'm going to keep training hard and riding as hard as I can, and I'm more inclined to believe the veridct of a governing body of scientists with degrees in medicine (those working for the IOC/UCI) because lets face it guys its not as easy as you make it sound, and chromosomes don't matter, there are born woman who have XY chromosomes so its not black and white (citation on request). I'm only competing because I am the same speed as other women in my field and therefore me racing is fair and we need to take into account the effort to results ration when racing because its unfair on me that I train 6 days a week and can barely pull a top 10 in the casual men's field. I'm happy to answer specific questions for people but I want to do it in a way that doesn't involve people yelling that I'm unfairly fast when I'm not. I ONLY WON BY 30 SECONDS WAS BECAUSE THOSE WHO ARE MY SPEED WERE INJURED!? You really think I'm as fast as Tracey Hannah or Rachel Atherton? That's a joke. The last international race I did, 2016 Crankworx Rotorua (before I could compete in the correct field) time would have put me in 8th in the pro woman's field, and that was with testosterone. Rather than having a knee-jerk reaction lets look at the individual and make a judgment based on their results and biology (just like cycling NZ did before they let me compete). I'm sorry if I sound a bit pissed but I don't like being degraded based on something i have no control over.
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Jan 21, 2018 at 15:22
Jan 21, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
@Larkey1: I feel you, honestly if I was beating the other girls then I wouldn't be racing, I was really worried I would be but I lost speed after starting hormones and dropped off from near podium in mens to like barely top 10, all while still training, but yeah if I was always winning then I'd stop but I only think its fair because the other girls who I ride with are just as fast as me!
kateweatherly cameronmackenzie's article
Jan 21, 2018 at 13:43
Jan 21, 2018
New Zealand National DH Series - Round 3 Report and Results
I started hormone therapy before I really started puberty (blockers at around 16/17 before my growth plates had fused) and I don't feel I have an unfair advantage as Vinny Armstrong (another elite kiwi woman) and Shania Rawson (who was sick on the day of the race) both are about the same speed as me (with Vinny beating me at a recent race). I'm not trying to change peoples minds however if you do feel that (with your education in sexual development in humans?) I do have an unfair advantage then talk to the UCI, IOC and Cycling NZ and see what they think? I'm fast because I train 6 days a week and pour my heart and soul into this sport. Honestly, if I was beating even the top woman by a lot then I wouldn't be competing, there's no point in me winning every race, as you say that's bad for the sport.
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