Interbike 2008 Banshee Legend DH Bike Prototype

Sep 24, 2008
by Mike Levy  
Another hot day at the Outdoor Demo and another cool bike for you to check out. This time we have Jay from Banshee running us through his 'so new it's not even done yet' DH bike prototype, the Legend. Being tested by the recently un-retired Mick Hannah, the Legend looks amazing!

Technical HD video inside!To say that Banshee's new Legend has been in the works for awhile may be understating it just a bit. In fact, the Legend is actually still in the prototype stage and may still be tweaked and altered. This particular frame has just arrived in Las Vegas, fresh enough that it wasn't even here during the first day of the Outdoor Demo. Have a look at the bike that Mick Hannah has be shredding on lately!

Banshee Legend prototype

Banshee Legend prototype




Watch the HD video and let Jay tell you about the new Legend!


Key Design Features

-8.5" and 7" travel option
-VF4P suspension
-Low center of gravity
-Hydroformed tubing
-10.5 lbs including shock
-Bushings and large diameter pivot axles



1.5

1.5" head tube for strength and the ability to run a lower stack headset


A captured lower pivot and internal ribs within the chainstay in the name of stiffness

A captured lower pivot and internal ribs within the chainstay in the name of stiffness


Amazing attention to detail, and remember this is only a prototype

Amazing attention to detail, and remember this is only a prototype


12/150 mm rear end and all tied together via a Maxle

12/150 mm rear end and all tied together via a Maxle


Non-driveside detail

Non-driveside detail


It's easy to see that Jay and everyone at Banshee has put a lot of thought and effort into the Legend. The attention to detail, even on this proto, is amazing. With a solid crew of testers it should be a very competent bike by the time it enters production.

Head to Banshee bikes for more info on the Legend and all of their models.


162 Comments

  • 17 2
 So nice! Smile
  • 21 2
 jahaha that guy says "uhhhh" ALOT
  • 15 2
 who cares? lol they make a great bike tup
  • 4 39
flag core559 (Sep 24, 2008 at 23:07) (Below Threshold)
 looks like DW-link... just the link that compresses the shock is on the bottom, not top.
  • 22 3
 ^^every floating/ virtual pivot has the same concept... VPP, DW, FPS, VF4P, you name it.
and the bike youre looking for would be any Canfield....

this bike looks suuuper sick though!
  • 4 1
 So insane, beautiful frame!
  • 3 12
flag enduro06 (Sep 25, 2008 at 7:53) (Below Threshold)
 Kylebr, you have to ball sacks??? Ewwww.
  • 1 0
 that is the marcelo gutierrez bike from colombia, excelent bike. i would buy it!
  • 0 0
 ya, i noticed the same thing. they call this a proto, when Marcelo had been riding this bike for a year already! Marcelo is pinned, fun to ride with!
  • 9 1
 Nothing on this frame will be cast, casting is not very strong. I will either have everything CNC'd as shown, or forged. It all just depends on numbers, as opening forging tools is very very expensive. the welding you see in the shock basement is all offset curve welded to minimise stress concentrations and sheer lines. I've spent over 3 years dreaming up and developing this bike, and have been riding a second stae prototype for a couple of months now. it rides amazignly, but I realised that some things still needed work, so expect the pre production batch to be lighter, sleaker and preform better. and then these frames will be refined even further before full release!
  • 0 0
 I hope you are doing a better job of the bushings than Devinci did. The increased friction seriously hindered the performance of the rear suspension. Devinci has abandoned the bushings and replaced them with needle bearings, which aren't much better. Angular contact bearings or sealed cartridge roller bearings are the only way to go in my opinion. That said, prove me wrong and I'll buy one!
  • 1 1
 After three years of dreaming up and riding the bike the head engineer realizes the bike needs to be sleeker, lighter and perform better? Sounds like another promising vpp design in the works for sure..
  • 9 1
  elbry (13 hours ago) (Below Threshold) show comment
looks like the canfield formula, no shock to find its also made in the same factory..hyped


nothing like the Canfield....and the Legend was on the drawing board 4 years ago way before Canfield...the Legend was the result of Banshee's design engineer Masters Degree in Engineering so has had some serious work put into it, and a huge amount of manufacturing time at Pacific in Taiwan

the shock canoe cnc work look a little rough because there is no point in adding extra cost to prototype frames when the point of a prototype is to test the geometry and suspension rather than the visual prowess of the frame

10.5lb for frame plus a 9.5" I2I shock with a STEEL spring is VERY competitive for a well built frame that will last more than a season Wink

put a Titanium spring on there and you are looking at sub 10lb, comparing a single-pivot (Orange 224) to a virtual pivot bike is pointless as the virtual pivot bikes do not suffer the same degree of brake stiffening or pedal feedback that the Orange does

bushings are the superior choice WHEN the pivots are designed right - Turner has been using bushings on alot of their frames for years with good result - a customer with a Turner 5-spot came into our shop today and I was talking to him about his frame, he said several years old and still on same bushings, just pump some grease through the lube ports from time to time

Banshee has proven that bushings work on their Rune, Pyre and Rampant frames, even in harsh environments like Whistler and Vancouver's North Shore, the frames all have grease ports and good sealing to allow a 5 minute maintenance overhaul whenever needed

Devinci did not get their bushing / axle interface right on the Wilson and have gone back to bearings for 2009
  • 9 0
 Thats quite a leap forward from the scream....respectable weight too. Props.
  • 4 0
 The Legend is dope. What surprises me is the amount of dudes on here who do not understand the Difference between FSR and dual-link style bikes. Every newcomer to mountainbiking should get a handbook on basic linkage/wheelpath engineering, although I realize this is a little over most people's heads. Sweet ride!
  • 1 1
 i agree, would save a lot of people from believing vpp hype..
  • 7 0
 I think banshee might just get themselve ahead of the game.
  • 4 1
 from banshee blog and somthing which is true (check your car ) "I realise that there are a lot of die hard bearing fans out there... but what you have to realise is that bearings are designed to take complete 360degree rotations like you get in bottom brackets, and not angular rotations (less than 90degrees) like you get in suspension pivots. This means that the whole load in bearings is constantly wearing out just 2 or 3 of the ball bearings in a conventional bearing, whereas the polymer bushings wear evenly due to the design.
You can find more information on the bearings here.. www.igus.com/show_iglide.asp and you can also order replacement bushings directly from them quickly and at a low price.


Axles:


The axles for the main pivots have been specifically designed for performance, simplicity, and ease of maintenance. This has been achieved by:

Direct grease injection ports with set screw grease zerk

Grease injection can be done in under 30 seconds, just unscrew the set screw, inject grease, screw in set screw. (obviously the area MUST be clean when you do this to stop grit getting in to the pivots)

3 parts to the axles... axle, bolt and zerk ... that's it, why over complicate things?

Double helical groves on the axle surface to allow the grease to push under the bushings.

Hard anodised finish to axle surface improves the life of both axles and pivots. (not seen in prototype above)
Basically the you inject the grease in through the end of the axle and it feeds through into the gap in the pivot between bushings due to the machined grease path. (you can see the grease paths in the following cross section picture).
Yes the bushings are self lubricating, so if they remain clean then there is no need to even grease the pivots, however if you suspect there is some grit in there then injecting grease can force out the grit without harming the bushings.

After spending months testing and abusing the prototypes that all had the new pivot assemblies we are very confident that they will help improve your riding experience."

check here bansheebikes.blogspot.com/2007/08/vf4b-pivots.html
  • 2 0
 Looks like a killer bike, but why with the god damn bushings. Didn't they learn anything from all the Devincis that needed constant bushing service (till they switched to needle bearings). I'd gladly take the extra weight if I didn't have to sit down and overhaul it every 5-6 rides.
  • 3 1
 haha, very educted posts!! I'm assuming that you have done all the dynamic linkage equations to back up your claims there. no? Maybe you should have. Do you know the axle ath curves for any of the bikes you are comparing, or understand what causes brake squat? You haven't even ridden the bike, so you can't possibly comment on how it feels.

Just another armchair critic. A lot of he points you mentioned in the 3 posts above are completely flawed and untrue. Maybe you work for specialized?
  • 5 0
 That is more than a bike... it is a work of art.
  • 3 0
 Its gourgouse, the guys at Banshee love the C.N.C. Damn it looks good. But think how well it will hold onto mud. I had a chap and was hart to clean up.
  • 1 0
 gottah agree with DEMAN bottom tube guaranz to be a mud scooper. More so if riding in our HAWAIIAN MUDD..."Sticky stuff". I gottah admit though, Probably one of the toughest builds I have seen yet! Props to Banchee for giving it their all!
  • 1 0
 few word about it before says stuff you don't know go to the blag and read all the article about this frame then you will be able to put a proper comment.

About the Canoe (this huge CNC part) this part have been designed with the idea of being forged but the tools for forging are super expensive. I ve been able to ride a bit on one of it this summer in whistler and it really pedals great despite a super smooth suspension. it feel like you can rail flat turn super low .

and 10,5 pound with a shock it's super light and remember it's still a prototype
  • 1 1
 ah and about mud i ll give you a tips guys a bit of WD40 on the whole frame helps a lot to clean
  • 0 0
 that canoe is ugly. looks more like a box of donuts to me.
  • 3 0
 also must point out that Jay got the geometry a little confused, it started at 65 degree head angle, and te next 50 have been slackened to 64 degrees
  • 2 1
 I think I just wet my pants. I am on the sacred list of 50 and will enjoy pushing my limits on this bike. I also own a Banshee Rune. The people that comment negatively about bushings are referring to the previous bikes that have issues with bushings. My Rune has the same type of bushings as the Legend. I have ridden my Rune HARD in ALL conditions for 10 months and all I have done is lube them with a grease gun once. I have no lateral play and ZERO issues. The bushing on the Banshee bike work perfectly. I have no doubt the Legend will be a fabulous bike.
  • 1 0
 Looks flippin awesome Keith, I wish I raced DH so I could get one of those. Very nice work! I'm happy to hear from a few riders that the bushings are working out really well. No bearing play at all and pretty much zero maintenance after 8+ months of hammering on them.
  • 2 1
 any downhillers actually use the shifter to change gears while doing DH and I mean DH, not freeriding? I found that the shifters are not much of the use. So the next quetion would be......single speed rear hub is more sensible then, right?
  • 3 2
 No simple logic is not enough, that is the mistake that many people make, yes you can get a rough idea of whats going on in terms of instantaneous centre and centre of curvature, and to an extent wheelpath and leverage ratio, and hence chainstratch and pedal kickback, but it is not til you fully anaylse the linkage that you can calculate what is going on with any accuracy. Moving a pivot by just 1mm can make a massive difference! would you rather I just botched a bike together based on what I think looks right, or actually spent time and effort to get it right.

No braking and pedaling do not always affect suspenion when using a short link 4 bar linkage... thats the point. You can tune the linkage to cancel them out, or make the most of them. It is tunable, thats the point.

Yes a little Squat is better than jack, thats obvious. you don't want the back of your bike jumping up while the front dives under braking do you. Thats a no brainer. Hardly any bikes out there experience brake jack. The legend experiences about 25% the brake squat that an equivalent single pivot bike will with same amount of travel. This was purposfully designed into the system to balance the bike under braking slightly, but it has also been tuned to be more active in certain regions of the travel to give optimal preformance.

You do realise that the horst link is just a variation of the same style linkage the legend uses. They are both 4 bar linkages with the axle mounted on the 2nd link... just thought I would bring that to your attention. So since your arguing that the horst link is both the 'best', and 'worst' design, your argument isn't making much sense to me.

I've ridden both a demo 8 and the legend down several trails like A-line and whistler DH, and the legend handles the braking bumps a lot better due to the rearward axle path absorbing the hits in such a way that the wheels rolls through them better. (just a point of note about one of your previous posts, the axle path of your front wheel is not vertical!)

Obviously the suspension setups on the bikes may have been different etc, but the Legend was definately more controlled and faster both through the braking bumps and corners. But yes I am biased, all I know is that the timer I was using doesn't lie, and the time difference was significant!
  • 5 1
 what was wrong with the scythe not that that matters but sick bike
  • 8 0
 like he said its banshees first pure dh bike, scythe is more oriented towards the freeride market
  • 5 0
 i want one
  • 4 0
 That's some damn sick cnc-machining! Very sick bike!
  • 1 1
 Well I bought a banshee scythe this summer and im completely in love with it it rails the downhill like no tomorrow and has the same feel the whole way down (it feels the same on the little chunder as it does on the big hits.) But now i cant wait to get the legend and convert my scythe into a freeride machine
  • 3 3
 uh-oh, now I'm being double teamed by the mad scientists at banshee... And I'm not sure you guys understand my questions because you guys are just talking circles in broken english instead of explaining how you managed to bend the laws of physics.
I still don't understand how you claim a suspension system that's effected by pedalling and braking is efficient, or that it will improve my ride in any way, for starters. This question requires absolutely no calculations to answer, it's way too simple for that. That's why hans and frans are dodged it.
You guys are claiming that your design has been tweaked to perfection via pro riders and high tech calculations, but the problem is, no amount of math or pro feedback will fix a vpp rear ends shortcomings! Impossible! This is a fact!

Is everyone supposed to believe that all other vpp suspension engineers have just missed those few crux calculations that Banshee was able to nail in order to dial in vpp suspension for once? I'm pretty sure other companies have you guys (just a bit) in the R&D department. So far, you've came across like you don't know enough to know what you need to learn..

Come on man, you need to get real and quit blowing smoke, just trying to tell people what they want to hear. It really SHOULD bother you to spread such BS to the masses. or are you the only engineer that doesn't believe in being bound by modern physics? this has totally changed my perception of banshee.
the absolute truth is: you guys chose a complicated suspension system and are making false claims about suspension physics, which is why i'm pissed about it. If you can't be straight up about it than don't open your mouth assuming nobody knows the one calculation that can prove you wrong..

I can't even believe you are an engineer after hearing your theories behind suspension. I followed the link under the pic at the top of this page, the one for your suspension system, I was seriously in disbelief. what a raft of $hit! Many of the claims you guys make about other systems, as well as your own, either aren't correct or are biased and aren't completely explanatory, more like selectively factual, leaving out details that might disprove the franken-bike you've created. and it's really jumbled. Not the kind of suspension info page you'd expect from a company claiming to out-engineer everyone else including Issac Newton.

You comment that "hardly any designs suffer from brake jack"??? are you f-ing. serious man?? Then what's with all the floating brake hooplah?? I believe a company called Brake Therapy even makes a business out of brake jack!

And i can't even believe you are trying to compare your vpp to a horst link system in public. Mathematically, you may be able to make the two rear-ends seem similar, but they are obviously at opposit ends of the suspension design spectrum. they are sooo fundamentally different. It's really just all about whether it's a curved(vpp) or a straight wheelpath(fsr), and I know you guys know this..I'm sure this simple point has become painfully obvious in the last four years while trying to calculate a way around it.

What I am saying is: I don't need math to know that any vpp rear-end and it's obviously complicated wheelpath will never out perform a system utilizing a straight axle path. And no vpp or dual link style rear-end is able to travel in a straight line, which is key to avoiding negative traits such as brake squat and pedal kick. ANYONE CONSIDERING THIS BIKE: DON'T LISTEN TO THE HYPE, MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION.
  • 1 1
 Uh oh ! I think I just peed my pants . She has such nice curves !!! Built for speed and comfort .....
  • 0 0
 jakeami, im pretty sure that anyone at the company can send you an email about how the design works. Dont waste your time bashing a company with a post. I think you might need ot grow up, no matter how old you are. It is rude, and totally uncalled for.
  • 0 0
 Im feeling that theres a lot of haters out there determined to not like banshee. Just because they want to go another direction than other brands doesnt make it bad. I can see there's allot of trend followers. Ohh specialized is best and nothing else is good enough Pahh. How many specialized are you seeing in the wc? few. Ok sam hill. But if im not wrong there's already some legends out there? Vpp bikes is used by aaalot of wc riders. Cuz it works. Ive ridden demos. And they dont work as good as some say. Heavy and not that active. Give the legend a chance on the market before you give it negative props.
  • 3 0
 marcelo gutierrez (colombia) bike
  • 3 0
 Good eye!
  • 0 0
 That looks like it is gonna be a beast. I'm liking Banshees more and more these days. I'm going to have to ride this rig for sure. Hopefully the bank isn't open on that day.....
  • 1 0
 thats one nice bike, i look forward to getting my hands on one when they come down in price, or when i can get one used in the next couple years
  • 2 0
 I like the CNC work on this thing, adds some class Smile
  • 2 0
 damn, and i just got the scythe...this makes me jealous
  • 2 4
 it's cnc'd now because its a proto. it'll probably be forged for production
it shares the only good quality of a demo. the low center of gravity shock mount.
but the design is like any other vpp/dw/shocker/canfield style bike
they're all the same idea just some are tweaked a little differently
it's the only banshee i'd even consider standing next to without puking
  • 2 0
 Oh yeah! In the first 50, can't wait for mine. F*ck yeah!
  • 1 0
 saw mick hanah riding one in angelfire for the red bull burner. super siiick bike!
  • 1 1
 looks like a V10 to me, except the top link swing up instead of in... probably giving this better performance under braking then a V10
  • 0 0
 Their site says a 64Deg HA and the guy in the vid says 66!?!? Which is it? I'm hoping the 64. This could be my next DH Race Frame.
  • 1 0
 Jay made a mistake, it started at 65 degrees, but I slackened it to 64 degrees
  • 2 2
 samnation shut it they still need to work out all the little kinks so when you go buy it they dont get 15 million complaint letters about it like com on!!!!
  • 3 4
 Well they need a new engineer if its going to take them 4 years.
  • 1 1
 ok let me get this straight if it takes 4 years they need a new engineer...i would love to see u try and build an absolutely amazing frame in 6 months
  • 2 2
 That is far from what I said... Arguing with skids like you is useless.
  • 1 1
 shooda thot of low center of gravity, but in all not likin the frame
  • 3 1
 I should point out that this isn't the only thing I have been working on for last 4 years, I've also finished my masters engineering degree, designed 6 other bikes and am working on a revolutionary drive system. Not to mention running banshee bikes with Jay. But the design process for this bike did start almost 4 years ago while I was a student.
  • 2 3
 I never said it was the only thing you'd worked on but the fact that you have been bragging and boasting about this bike for well over a year now to people who can't even tell if you're lying or not because you won't let them try it. Its the oldest PR stunt in the book and a lot of people are sick of it.
  • 3 1
 I didn't release any images of the legend design until November 2007, and the only reason that we did so then was so that we could get initial feedback on design and geometry so that we could change it and improve it based on what our customers wanted. It wasn't meant as PR, just to help develop the product.
  • 3 5
 The whole bike seems flawed, he pretty much said the bike has brake jack and that it uses bushing rather than bearings on the pivot points. Wow you shaved off a non-significant amount of weight and in the process made a less reliable frame for the mass public.
  • 4 2
 The Bike has optimally active rear suspension, which means it slightly squats to balance the bike, but still remains active.

If you were an engineer who knew what bushings and bearings were designed for, you would choose bushings. Bushings are designed for oscillating loads (like pivots), whereas bearings are designed for rotational loads (like drive shafts)
  • 0 2
 LOL. It's like when some people join PB they have their larynx surgically transplanted into their rectum so that they can talk out of their ass. Was the surgery a long one Rconroy?
  • 2 0
 drool drool , please please put this into production
  • 1 0
 Awesome bike - sounds like good development program: bansheebikes.blogspot.com/search/label/Legend
  • 1 3
 dual link rear ends ride crappy. would you want your front wheel to "squat" into a certain spot in the suspension in order to work properly? complicated wheelpaths are bs. Go with a well done single pivot or better a HORST LINK (yeah specialized) which use a vertical wheelpath (like your fork) in order to deal extremely well with brake and pedal forces that pull back and forth, not vertically. Single pivots get brake jack and pedal feeedback for the same reasons multi-link crap bikes do; the wheel can be pulled closer to or futher from the frame (via arcing wheelpath) when pedalling or braking. nothing but a vertical wheel path can remain fully active while pedalling or braking, simple physics.
OH, and you don't want "squat" because you are wasting power and losing traction to make it squat. I hate it when dual link designs try to claim pedalling efficiency through pedal induced lock out, nothing worse than a bike that pulls itself up or down when you pedal it, so tacky.
  • 1 3
 i'm talking about dual link bikes with wheelpaths designed to use pedal forces to keep the bike firm, people think it's efficiency but it's just a loss of sensitivity and attaching the rear triangle the frame with a pair of links (as long as these)will make the rear end either flexier or heavier than a comparable horst link or single pivot rear end, which is probably the reason they're using bushings instead of bearings. In the video he says the "squat" is so the rear end lowers a bit with the brakes on, so you can really rail that corner. give me a break, such bs. They pulled this one out of their a$$ because the bike does weird sh!t when you hit the brakes. And claiming that it pedals better than a Horst link is a total lie. Any bobbing when pedalling a horst link is your body weight going up and down, any a fully active rear-end will react to weight on the pedals just as it will react to bumps on the trail, it's a good thing. You can't get any better than a fully active rear-end that isn't effected by braking or pedalling, it's just a fact. The banshee's rear-end uses pedal force (inefficiency)to lock the rear-end out of activity, which sacrifices traction and consistancy of travel (impact reaction varies with braking and pedalling forces (never good). Think about it, you don't need weird sh1t going on while you pedal and brake to make you better!!
  • 1 3
 So why did they depart from their conventional designs (with this frame)that have worked fine so far? Maybe to sell more bikes? Everyone else is going to a vpp rear-end so you either have to beat 'em or join 'em. Most people are so clueless that they just listen to the hype and end up shelling out $ for complete turds because the bike looks cool. Too bad all of those banshee engineers didn't come up with a better idea that wasn't old and played out.
  • 1 3
 dynamic linkage equations? c'mon now. who the hell wants to do math when simple deductive logic is enough? brake squat is caused by the brakes effecting the suspension, correct? And the brakes (and pedalling) will always effect any vpp suspension, so you guys figured squat was better than jack, correct? But they have to blow smoke about brake squat being a desireable trait (see below) while cornering. I don't think it even requires a strong grasp of physics 201 (or advanced mathmatics) to figure out that a VPP wheelpath is just over-complicated hype.

Unfortunately, many people stricken with vpp are innocent newbies unaware that their riding experience isn't very close to ideal. I've seen sooo many vpp bikes with horribly over-damped and over-sprung rear shocks in an effort to basically deaden the crappy linkage action. I don't work for specialized, I just can't stomach vpp for several factual reasons, so I'm basically just tryin' to keep it real.

And I know I don't need my rear brake doing anything but slowing me down, right? So why would I waste braking power to help compress my rear shock? Wouldn't rear shock compression while braking equally effect the rear wheel's ability to rebound from impacts while braking? Like, say, braking bumps? I love that saying: You can't have your cake and eat it too. And besides, you're supposed to do the majority of braking before the corner, aren't you?
Ain't that a b1tch? not one mathmatical equation needed to reasonably prove the inefficiency of vpp designs.. and if you call any of the above "flawed" than I want some of the sh1t you've been puffin' on.
  • 1 1
 Waw have you been abused by your Mechanic teacher (can be ophysic or math)?

Ok and did you bring a new suspension cinematic ?

you probably should send an email asking to specialized if they never use calcul to position the axle on the demo.

And have you tried the legend because no calcul no test and so much critics god you should be able to read in my mind then

ah and i have a challenge for you design a bike without calcul and ride it and you have 5 years

the clock is running
  • 1 2
 nobrain + ophysic + (many calcul + cinematic) = legend dh>other vpp
waw i think i get it..
i wish i could read your mind so i could enlighten specialized. poor guys haven't been able move away from the horst link for quite some time now. i think they might need new calculators.
  • 1 0
 You didn't understand my answer but anyway I have a specialized and i m not employed by Banshee some of my buddies have demos I tried them it's a good bike And this is just about progression if you stay in the same position you won't progress. I think banshee try to bring a new idea and it's good if none did that you won't ride disc brake , suspension etc ... I don't know what is your problem with banshee and particularly VPP but I would like to get your thought about the weakness of these designs some strong argument about the behave of this design compare to the one you present like the ultimate. and I m impressed that you spend that amount of time answer and arguing about something you deny then instead of talking about something you haven't tried take your bike and ride shame that there is no way to do blind test on bikes...
  • 5 4
 TANK check out those beefy welds
  • 4 5
 Heavy, though. A wilson saves almost two pounds.
  • 6 9
 amen. the welds and extra metal on both the drive and nondrive side on the downtube by the bb is completely unnecessary. but u kno if u crash hard ur bike is fine i]f ur riding a banshee
  • 11 2
 10.5 lbs isnt that bad
  • 10 1
 agreed with twigme
  • 7 0
 not to mention its still a prototype...
  • 1 0
 www.pinkbike.com/photo/1876358 --- Here is the prototype for Markolf Berchthold, also the paint really looks nice
  • 0 2
 i think this frame looks like turner
  • 3 2
 Fokken lovely! Good job boys! Hopefully we get one too... :-))))
  • 5 4
 OH MY GOD i think i just cried a little
  • 3 3
 Tears of joy or dread? lol
  • 0 1
 joy, ofcourse
  • 0 0
 me too =D
  • 0 0
 The machining is neat, but the production models will be cast, not so neat.
  • 1 0
 10.5 lbs, pretty impressive inc shock
  • 1 0
 i know whats on my christmas list lol Smile
  • 1 4
 surely if they got rid of all those messy and cheap looking machining lines on the canoe section they could save a bit of weight - looks way more pimp in red and white though!
  • 2 0
 Best Banshee ever!
  • 0 1
 I still think the Morphine is way more awesome. In my opinion, I know they are do different style bikes. The Morphine created by Banshee is the shizz nittle bam snip snap sam.
  • 1 0
 Ah nice bike. Its awesome looking.
  • 1 0
 Yeah Jay, sweet show and tell. can't wait
  • 1 0
 Beauty - well done Keith/Jay! Looking forward to the production...
  • 1 1
 I've never been a fan of Banshee... but I think I could be now! Holy smokes that frame is hot!
  • 1 1
 Whooooppppp deeeee dooooooooo. Release it already instead of bragging about it.
  • 0 0
 y is every1 goin for the lowest spot 2 put the suspension on DH bikes these days?
  • 0 0
 because having a low centre of gravity has proven to be almost universally beneficial.
  • 0 0
 so that wen u grab a fist full of brakes the rear shock doesnt get stiff
  • 2 1
 sick bike the guy says uhhh way to fucket mush
  • 1 1
 i dont usually like banshees but damn the cnc work on the downtubes looks amazing
  • 1 0
 very very nice i realy want one
  • 0 0
 I LIKE THAT BIKE, but what is the price of the frame with the shock ???? Big Grin
  • 0 0
 msrp is 4640
  • 0 0
 well it guess its time to sell the house i can live in my car for a few months lol almost worth it
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 in portugal are one frame of that,it's very beautifull and is a great machine
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 anybody think it looks like a canfield formula 1 jedi?
  • 1 1
 hmm, it kinda does. the bottom link looks a bit v-10ish too. oh well, it's a proven design i guess. that cnc work is mean!!
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 FUNK YEAH !! that will cost a pretty penny
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 Much better than the old banshees. Thats got a really nice finish on it.
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 awe damn thats a F***ING sick ride...want it
  • 0 2
 Este quadro é identico ao nosso Berg Viper Elite!!!!
Mas o mal é que diz Banshee, resultado já é uma Bomba....enfim palavras para que???
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 Speak english! (Provavelmente nem ingles sabes falar! e nao digas asneiras lol!)
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 Looks sweet!
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 Why is there a chain guide mount on the non drive side? am I missing something?
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 The sense to tell the difference between left and right??
Just kidding. The cg mounts are on the drive side.
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 Sweet !
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 haha id quit bmx if i had a good place to ride this thing
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 i think i like banshee now
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 Nice Frame !
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 My next battle cruiser!
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 That is one hell of a frame
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 I think i need new underpants.
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 hmm well said but really you dont know untill you try it
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 MSRP is $3500 CND on the frame...
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 i wanna trade my scream for this beaut. of a frame!
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 feckin sweeeet!
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 looks like the canfield formula, no shock to find its also made in the same factory..hyped
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 good frame
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 It looks a lot like the DW-link on the new Turner DHR.
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 But upside down.
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 hey the demo has a new name
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 i would race one i just got a gloty thought dam
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 very sick !!
  • 1 1
 nice but just banchee
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 this bike is amazing! finally banshee comes out with a a/m downhill!
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 es una mole una bestia
  • 3 5
 looks much better than some banshee's I've seen
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 Looks a bit like Giant's Maestro link.
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 if it act cums out looking like tht itl be sick bike porn!!
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 sweet deatail
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 mix of demo/glory
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 The suspension system is similar to katrpiel's.
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 the back swing arm looks like its off a demo
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 You noticed that too? It looks like they tried to use a seatstay link similar to the demo. Vpp designs suffer from braking and pedal feedback, like a single pivot, so they move the links around to try to direct those forces. Unfortunately, many people are believing the hype that pedal induced lock-out is efficient and now were supposed to believe brake squat is too?!!
  • 1 4
 looks like DW-link on an ironhorse
  • 1 4
 looks like a demo kinda
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