Probably hard to get an honest answer from a sponsored rider but...
How much does the bike impact race times?
Say we took the top five finishers bikes and had the top five finishers race the 4 other bikes 5-10 times down the hill how different would the average times look.
I doubt anyone really knows but I would throw in some money to see that test.
Iberian ........ I would love that test too. As long as the rider is allowed to adjust to their settings, i.e. gearing, bar width and height, ect. Ill bet the frame doesnt impact NEARLY as much as everyone thinks. These world cup guys are so good on bikes, you could put a huffy under 'em and they would prob qualify!!
Rider style, shock setup, I dont think it really matters considering a lot of the top fast guys are on single pivots. Gee, Bryn to name a couple, these complicated linkages may help in some areas, but overall it comes down to rider skill and suspension setup.
Single pivots are not worse so why is it an argument? A propely made SP has some advantages. Imho the main way a bike can influence a time is make the rider feel more confident - he than takes more risks or rides faster lines and therefore gains time. Though most good bikes would do that.
Not bashing a sp just using as a comparison to the linkages of most companies nowadays, that a lot of top pros are winning races on single pivots and therefore the frame does not make the rider faster, proper setup and skill does.
by the way gt and yeti ripped Rocky Mountain off...the "floating" bb as you call it has been around since they first made full supension...little info for you young pups
the Unified Rear Triangle design that Rocky Mountain used on the Pipeline was a horrible design and is in no way like the GT I-drive (even though it looks similar) or the new Lapierre design.
Haha blenki at the end just giving that look, i know what he was thinking..."you enjoy that 1st position because its mine next time" no doubt blenki! yeah
Well, yes and no. Santa Cruz bought the patent from Outland Bicycles (who invented it). But since they then owned it, it was Santa Cruz that licenced it out to Intense.
So, Lapierre goes from stealing Santacruz VPP tech.(opposite direction of links rotating), to stealling GT tech.(Floating BB)!!! What a Hack of a company!
acutally if you took time to actually look long enough to understand the system its not like GT at all. the bb section moves back and forth as it is pulled by a section of the swingarm in front of the bb.
that can be said about so many different linkages though, if he did adapt the different technologies than thats no different than what many companies do today
i said different a lot of times
@banshee-ripper grow up dude! There are infinite subtleties to bike design. Lapierres look really well made to me.... especially in person. BTW, SC bought VPP from Outland and later licensed it to Intense. They both make very different VPP based bikes, and the world is a better place. Looking at Banshee's website I see designs inspired/borrowed from Kona, Canfield, Transition, and many others. Does that mean they are hacks too?
And as for banshee, I don't own that anymore(unfortunately this site isn't sophisticated enough to allow screen-name changes)... And I rode their HT, which has two very "Original" design aspects(the kegger head-tube, and the internally ribbed stays... not seen on any other brand)
@ bomberdave It's still a floating BB designed to be effected by chain tention... same as GT!
@scriz "Borrowed from kona, canfield, transition" One difference, Those are not pattented designs as the VPP and GT's Floating BB are!
unfortunately, the only bike I have at this time is a generic TREK 3700(with different parts, not the crap it came with)... My next "real" bike will probably either be a TREK Scratch, or an Intense Slope-Style...
No big deal........but I mean, you see the point right?? I mean not every bike that comes out is going to be a radical new design. There are only so many ways to skin a cat.
... dude you just dont get it, just because there is a floating bb doesnt mean its even similar to the gt. they do completely different things and work in different ways
Yes, I sold my REAL bike, because my ankle can't take the impcts of stunt riding, so I sold my heavy bike and used what little cash I got from it for the parts for a light-weight speedy comuter bike... If my ankle ever gets to being able to handle the rough stuff again... then I'll get another REAL bike.
How much does the bike impact race times?
Say we took the top five finishers bikes and had the top five finishers race the 4 other bikes 5-10 times down the hill how different would the average times look.
I doubt anyone really knows but I would throw in some money to see that test.
For sure, I just want to know how much.
And as for banshee, I don't own that anymore(unfortunately this site isn't sophisticated enough to allow screen-name changes)... And I rode their HT, which has two very "Original" design aspects(the kegger head-tube, and the internally ribbed stays... not seen on any other brand)
@ bomberdave
It's still a floating BB designed to be effected by chain tention... same as GT!
@scriz
"Borrowed from kona, canfield, transition" One difference, Those are not pattented designs as the VPP and GT's Floating BB are!
get a real bike(not a $400 bike) and then you can talk shit about how you think lapierre is a knock off.(even though they arent)
Yes, I sold my REAL bike, because my ankle can't take the impcts of stunt riding, so I sold my heavy bike and used what little cash I got from it for the parts for a light-weight speedy comuter bike... If my ankle ever gets to being able to handle the rough stuff again... then I'll get another REAL bike.