A short letter in relation to the bulldozing of our local spot:
City staff came in one day last week and bull-dozed Stirling’s Jumps. Thousands of hours of work obliterated because they were bike jumps. The probable theory that was a drinking and drug spot, garbage spread all around, evening parties, a definite deterrent for homeowners building or maintaining their homes on Dilworth Mountain. If “they’re making bike jumps, they're probably of a bad ilk“. “Don’t want those kids hanging around our neighborhood, they’re up to no good.”
I understand municipal laws, however it does not apply in this instance. These young men chose an area in the forest where no home could be built. They were not encroaching on any lots nearby. They were in the forest.These are the gentlemen whom we should admire, these teenagers who’ve snowboarded 50+ times this year at Big White, maintained part time jobs and have grades parents would be proud of. It is these same children who’ve been in my home, are respectful, polite, helpful, willing and self motivated to get up every Saturday and Sunday and build jumps.
These kids aren’t into crack or crystal meth, their high comes from a job done well, the satisfaction of “hitting the jumps.” Isn’t that what we want as community members of the future? The drive to succeed, to achieve, be self motivated, face our fears and not rely on the computer games, wallowing in obesity in front of a screen.
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There is no alcohol involved during their weekend work-outs, there’s no loud music, I’m hoping there’s no profanity echoing but I don’t believe there is. The boys pack a lunch and take water and head to the foothills to have a day of fun. They come back home at dusk tired, dirty and satisfied. All garbage has been returned with them or disposed of using on site trash bags. I’ve witnessed this. They're not interested in finding a dealer to get them a fix, or scam someone into buying a bottle of liquor for them. They're not stealing from their families to get a high. They’re tired and want to discuss the day’s jumping events. And shower, eat, relax and sleep. Start all over again tomorrow. We are lucky to have these youth in our lives.
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I’m proud of the many, many people out walking with or without dogs that stopped to watch the events and compliment the boys on performance and remark on how wonderful the building site was. It must of made the boys feel good about themselves to hear these adult’s compliments. I say hurray to Stirling’s Jumps. I admire these young men. I’m proud to know them…to live a true sense of life and see life is what you make it, not how you ingest it.
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I’m disappointed in the way they were treated. Was it not possible to post a sign asking them to contact a city employee to discuss a resident’s concern? It only took one person’s phone call to destroy hundreds of hours of labor. Fear of teenagers is the underlying problem, fear that precipitated a phone call. It takes a lot of guts to talk to these fearful young men, it’s easier to undermine their efforts behind their backs than talk to them directly. Can you imagine arriving Saturday morning, ready for a day of fun and finding your project has been devastated, eradicated, gone forever. Hours and hours and hours of time…gone! What a sad day for these boys! The whole mess could have been resolved through communication, instead of taking the gutless way out and bulldozing the site bare.
Maybe now the teens can go buy a bottle or drugs; Then we can sit around the kitchen table talking about the degradation of youth instead of celebrating the pure clean fun they HAD at Stirling’s Jumps.
A few of our spots have been plowed, and its not a great experience. If the towns/cities really didn't want us to build in these spots they should give us a designated area where we can design our own features, or at least get everyone's input on a town-made jump site where we can put in all of our ideas and not have a poorly designed park that has no park etiquette and no logical thought to it. Apparently this is too much to ask.
because they would make some BULLSHIT excuse about it
f*ck them, thats how kids get into drugs they dont got no palce to ride
so tey get high
and dotn ride
and then they build shit tables and sya here u go !
might as well f*cking put a pile of dirt and say f*ck u
It would only 'prove' their point. Don't become the people they already say you are.
People have this attitude that they are so much more important than everybody else. They take up 2 parking spots at the mall because they don't want anyone to touch their Hummer. They cut in front of you in line and treat sales staff like crap because they are in a hurry and therefor more important. You're lucky if you get any sort of customer service at all these days because everyone thinks that they're worth more than $12 an hour pay. Kids spend all of their time planted in front of the TV or on the computer playing video games. Many young adults have terrible social skills because they were brought up by a TV and had stuff handed to them without needing to work for it.
Here are a group of kids that went out and found a great place to build & maintain some jumps. Like the writer said, they aren't drinking, doing drugs, loitering at the malls, getting fat sitting in front of a TV... They are interacting with each other, working together, exercising and having fun. They picked up after themselves, didn't wreck anything or cause any sort of trouble and this is how they are treated. All because of one person that felt that they were more important than everyone else. Sad.
hope you guys will rebuilt all or find another place,
Dmitri
Go to the council meeting, discuss what went wrong, and determine a legal course of action to get a new park up and running. Its a simple process that in most cases the city will approve without much debate. Mike Metzger from Transition bikes is leading the crew for the jump park here in Bellingham, WA. He might have some insight on the right way to get the ball rolling. (and since he's nursing a collar bone break, he might have some extra time to discuss things)
Let us riders ride!!
we just found a new spot now for jumps... hopefully it stays hidden long enough.
strange how there are so many governement agencies promoting youth fitness and they do something like this, leaving youth with nothing after all that hard work.
We can't all play Tennis and Golf.
While you might say "oh they are ruining my fun", the fact is, its not your land to begin with, by building stuff not on your own land, how could you possibly think that they would last forever?
Say someone got injured/paralyzed? What do you think the parents would say to the council then? They'll be wanting to point the finger at someone to pick up the medical bill.
Sucks they got plowed, but not unexpected. If it was my land, I'd be a bit miffed if one day I got a phone call to turn up in court because I was getting sued by some unlucky parents because their kid wasted him/herself on something someone built with out my knowledge.
ps, your from my old home town
The sad part is my generation is the one that was going to make the world right. My generation was going to be full of understanding and equitably solve the worlds' problems. My generation is the one that plowed the deadly, threatening dirtjumps and I am ashamed.
I certainly don't consider the problem solved. I agree with there being an absence of bidrectional communication here. Liability insurance is not overly expensive when shared by a group. I know this group would have put their backs into conforming to any requests for funds, volunteer work, or land management. It is more than obvious this group has the character, work ethic, and backbone to make things happen.
Another instance where we have failed youth once again.
Good Luck
Someone should find out where the City Councilmen like to go quadding/ fishing. I would like see how much they drink while doing their hobbies. Drugs alcohol and garbage, what a crock. Better yet lets get rid of that fishing spot, lets destroy that quad trail. See how they like it since they can't quad and then have a peaceful rest waiting for that fish to bite.
Up with jumps, down with the government.
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There ya go!!! There's a meeting on May 27th, so someone who this affects should go to city hall and see if you can get on the agenda. then put out a call on pinkbike and locally and get all the dj'ers and supporters (parents, those who like to watch, etc) out and raise a fuss. I'll tell you one thing though, your mayor and city council definitely don't read the comments under a story on pinkbike, so get down there and react appropriately!
The question that first needs to be answered is was this on City owned land, or was it built on Private Land? If in fact it was City land, then its time to figure out what went wrong, if it is on Private Land, then it is time to approach the land owner and talk with them, or suck it up cause they can do whatever they want on their own land.
Government makes a lot of mistakes, but in many cases they take a beating for things that are out of their control, or had nothing to do with. Look into tenure of the land and then take appropriate action.
If he enjoys what I like, then I think its a win/win situation.
Here in Toronto the city is going to do the same with our local DJ's, however we're trying to change that. I've been riding there for 3yrs and I've never seen any problems.
I hope that someone or these kids/adults speak with the City of Kelowna to come to a common ground and rebuild.
Good luck guys.
That makes me pissed/sad
(or the city itself) got a small excavator and like to STEP UP for the cause and dig some hole.
1.) get out to council meetings and the like and support the building and preservation of quality riding areas like this...we need to have each others backs.
2.) We need to show other Non-bikers that mountain biking isn't like skateboarders who go to their park and ride for a bit before sitting around to smoke weed or drink in public...
If we can do this at least a few of these type of issues might be alleiviated..
the jumps looked sick guys, which makes it even worse
and i agree with what the writer said about not doing drugs and getting good grades, why are they tearing down bike jumps, they keep people off the crime scene, keep people healthy, and most of all, people have fun
they should be doing useful things like stopping teenage drug and drinking numbers, something useful
i hope you find another spot and build them up even better, but take a big gun for any f*cker that tries to knock them down
and go to that meeting^^^
i feel for you guys
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Has anyone asked why the jumps were flattened?
Does anyone involved know who made the decision to bulldoze the site?
That+s a shame to bring thoose jumps down!
i think its pretty sad that people...think they can come in and ruin someones fun...
how would they like it if we were the city..and we came in a tore down there house...cuase we thought it was a disturbance..and all the person was trying to do was live..
thats all were trying to do...is have fun biking and live
There are a lot of posts on here that state exactly what needs to be done NOW. Form a legitimate “team†and go through the grueling political process to make sure that your next project won’t turn out like this one.
The Gunnison Valley Freeride Association was formed because of incidents like this. We played the political game and now have built and maintained jump parks, pump tracks, and various trails within our community. We have the full support of the town and the politics involved. Once united and running you can become unstoppable. I pulled this quote off of the Kona awards to show you guys what the “man†is looking for to get this sort of project underway… GOOD LUCK
Gunnison Valley Freeride Association, Gunnison, Colorado
GVFA will build a dirt jump area near the popular Hartman Rocks. They have the blessing of Gunnison's Parks and Recreation Director, Dan Ampietro, who writes that he is "very proud of these young adults for acting as professionals, forming an association, patiently wading through the
political process and living up to their promises."
This crap is an example of what and is happening to our sport in general.
Logging, housing developments, ignorant onlookers who don't get it, will eventually send us all underground. Why don't those f'ers get rid of the Meth problem that plagues the beaches and downtown of Kelowna, instead of pandering to one or two residents who have lots of money and pull?
I can't wait till we get kicked out of K-country because of all those frikkin red-necks in their 4x4's destroying McLean Creek over the weekend!
They will eventually ban ALL off road vehicles, including Mountain Bikes!
those f*cken old farts... they are just jelous that they cant ride bikes anymore!!!!
you would never beleive it but i asked a cop if he would rather us drink and do drugs than build dirt jumps where we proboly shouldent.....
and he said it would be less of a hassle for them ..........those f*cken pigs!!!!!!!!
I am discusted beyond all belief at this move to "hate" bikers and wish i could find a way to stop it.
Why cant governments get someone in that actually knows where the druggies hang out and even know some names of dealers so they can actually stop the drug problem
Say the council or whatever can afford/be bothered to send out a bulldozer once a year: If you rebuild everything straight away you still get almost a year of riding out of it before you have to do it again. Get a big crew together, get everything thrown back up quick, enjoy the act of building and appreciate, if not riding, at least being outdoors and getting exercise. If you can, build a few smaller trails spread apart as opposed to one big one: More hassle to doze and you always have something to ride.
I once encountered some nimby local resident who told me a digger would be turning up "next week" to flatten the jumps I was working on. Said digger didn't turn up for four months. So we at least got four months riding. Some guys I know who built a jump/pump track here in Southampton were told the exact same thing at the start of April yet the track is still there and we are riding the hell out of it. In fact that particular spot gets dozed about once a year: Give a shit, someone always rebuilds it!