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@mikekazimer: Agreed, there is a large difference between an class 1 ebike (750w) and a surron (~9000w). But it doesn't change the fact that the avinox isn't a class 1, and has double the power of a class 1. FWIW, the Avinox motors are actually getting close to the power output of the cheap Tuttio style "electric pit bikes" you see all over the place. Its 1500w peak vs 3000w peak With how fast their products are changing (first gen was 800w peak at launch, then upped to 1000w, second gen is 1500w), we could be approaching the pit bike power levels of ~2000-3000w within a product generator or two. And at some point, we have to diverge from "its an ebike with more power" to the realization that "this is actually more motor than bike" won't we? I'm fine with 750w (even if I think it is a bit much). But its the generational changes that are slowly creeping up that are the problem. And, FWIW, I'd actually be ok with a new class in the US. A "class 0", that is basically the EU ebike (250w and 15mph).

@Bigpfeiffer: Its odd. Avinox says they are rated for 250w output. But in their own literature/graphs, its wayyy higher. I have no idea how they're both saying "we're 250w continuous" and also "we will do over 750w for at least 45min". And WA state has a similar law that was just barely introduced. But this one says that if it "can" produce over 750w, its not a class 1/2/3 ebike. Which to me sounds like it means peak. But each state having their own, makes this way more confusing. Copy paste from another comment of mine in another article. Avinox own power chart shows that they produce well over 250w for as long as their chart's X axis (40min). So it looks like its still over 250w, unless the nominal rating is sandbagged quite a bit, or the continuous rating is literally infinite. Here is their chart of power over time for their motors. www-cdn.avinox-ebike.com/dps/4e61ac5c46104fa31eb79ed8c54de354.jpg.webp?w=2400&h=1252 What is wild to me is that the M2S can hold 1000w for almost 30 minutes. Which, at that power level/speed, means you can ride at that power output for like... the duration of the entire climb at Galbraith. So while 30 minutes at 1000w isn't continuous, we are getting quite close to "continuous" for most places, as its longer than many climbs.

@hamncheez: Double? It’s realistically more like 5-6x, at least. Although I guess it depends on what you mean by “sustain”. I take that to mean “not a sprint”. And for sustained riding, most avid cyclists struggle to output more than 250-300w for an hour. Tour de France cyclists can output somewhere in the realm of 375-450w for an hour. So yeah, 1300-1500w is a lot.

Ah. I love product images that have me struggling to see the product. I can't help but wish for slightly less dramatic photos of the tires, so we could get a better view of the tread patter/design.

That’s honestly hard to read. I cannot imagine how hard the event was, and then this whole last year has been. Life comes at you sometimes. Good luck. On the recovery, and getting back to “normal”. And glad you’re enjoying dad time with the kiddo. It’s time well spent.

@Lars-TB: True. And shorter seat tubes, with likely more seat tube insertion. So longer dropper posts likely as well. But its been interesting to see how "ahead" of the game Banshee was with the geo on their V3 frames. Tall stack, long chainstays both there. But weren't quite there on the STA and insertion.

The geo is actually quite similar to the Banshee Prime in many respects. Both with 135mm travel, both do full 29 and mullet. HTA ranges overlap depending on the fork spec (both about 65.5ish). Reach in size L is off by 5mm, chainstays differ by 3mm. Not that it’s a bad thing. Just remarking how similar they are (despite looking fairly different).

@farmteamlb: Just looked it up, they do. I knew WAO merged with I9 a while back, but I wasn't aware that they were starting to make (or rather, sell) convergence branded aluminum rims. Also, curious how these Hunt rims compare against other non-DT Swiss rims like Reserve AL, or the Tenent Coven AL.

@farmteamlb: Wait, what? WAO makes alloy rims now???

@roaming50: As a replacement for the HPR-60? Or as a separate "full power" motor offering? Because if its as small/light as the current offerings that sounds great on paper. One thing for sure. The ebike space is certainly changing rapidly. Curious how it all shakes out.