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And it’s changed…

@rockandride6: no I think VPP is reasonable. It’s just a form of four bar. Six bar is getting a little unnecessary.

@Louisd2000: I suppose that’s true. Even then you could say that the only difference is the pivot and axle happen to overlap on one and not the other.

@SQbiker: bike shops like around 30% margin when possible. 3k out of a 12k bike would be 25% margin.

The VPP patent expired ages ago. Saying it’s the same as a Santa Cruz is like saying a Specialized frame is the same as an Orbea. For some reason no one ever says that about anything Horst link. I think we are going to see less variety in suspension layouts as patents expire and people come to the realization that more complexity for the sake of being unique isn’t necessarily a good thing.

@ryanandrewrogers: “There are some minor changes to kinematics that also occur when using this link, however, it is more intended to preserve geometry than create a different suspension feel.”

@ryanandrewrogers: the stock bike is 12-20% depending on size. That’s nowhere near too progressive.

@ryanandrewrogers: who says a 29” link would only add 4%? I don’t think this link was designed to increase progression at all.

@ryanandrewrogers: it’s to run a 27.5” rear wheel.

The US actually has a surprising amount of consumer protection laws as well. Implied warranties here essentially mean the thing being sold has to be able to do what it’s marketed to do. If any company offers a written warranty they are not allowed to disclaim implied warranties. So if someone were to break their bike riding it off jumps and the company told them the warranty is void because of that yet they market the thing going off jumps then they aren’t abiding by that law. Additionally pretty much all bike industry warranties here are considered limited warranties. There’s another federal requirement that warranties be titled as “full” or “limited”. None of them title their warranty as such. Santa Cruz’s “legendary warranty” as their website puts it is a limited warranty and marketing it as legendary is pretty misleading if you ask me.