@loolilon this guy is not full of hate. your country and its government is full of hate. before the illegal occupation of Palestine Jews, muslims, and arabs lived side by side equally in peace. now look at the place!
Please inform your selves before you make such ignorant statements. No religion, race, or group of peoples on this earth is better then the next, and all have committed atrocities in the past. Try to see things from another's point of view.
"You never really know a man until you understand things from his point of view, until you climb into his skin and walk around in it.”
Lee, Harper. To Kill a Mockingbird. J.B. Lippincott & Co., 1960
@Pkam17: We here in the US sentence people do death, not much different. I'm not justifying what the Karan says, but if you get your bike stolen, you might feel the same way.
What about this: Officer shoots a cyclist in the face!
Does the bible not says that it is acceptable to own slaves? Just because we are Christian does not mean we believe in such things, just like how if some one is muslim they do not necessarily believe in cutting off another's hand's for stealing just because it says it in the Karan.
Looks like a great start to something better in Israel. @redrook, they do look tamer than stuff here in North America but still pretty fun. The scenery looks amazing! Very well put together.
@Fuglio, they are the trail builders? @mfbeast, yeah but all those trails could be done easily on a hardtail, yet they're on big dh rigs. They need to get some more gravity involved.
Israel is a great place to ride. within 2 hour drive you can change the conditions completely
and it is sunny about 300 days a year!
come and ride
and to all the smart guys from europe that think they know something about the conflict around here,
please come and live here for a year before you dare to coment about the situation - you have no Idea about our lives!
I came to Zicron Yakov to help build the skate park and loved it there. Israel is a great place to live with much freedom, beautiful women, great food, nightlife, awesome skate spots where no one kicks you out, and good weather. I rode a shitty borrowed mtn bike and found some decent trails that led to some really cool old ruins. Over all great time and I would recommend a a trip there to anyone
This is a mountain bike vid no point bringing up political views. It's an awesome track, and the riders are having fun riding their bikes. That's what matters. To the guy who started the talk on politics, shame on you for even bringing it up, and to the guys who debated about it, you just got suckered by a taunt.
Shut Up, and comment on bikes and not politics, and if you must comment on politics take all sides into consideration and don't just blurt out under informed feelings. Honestly, most of the arguments posted could also be applied to many other countries at different points in time. US during expansion, segregation, WWII (Japanese internment), and Vietnam, Most of western Europe from the colonial age through to WWII (end of most colonial holdings), Germany during WWII, Japan during WWII, South Africa during the Apartheid, Rwanda during the Rwandan massacre and even the other middle eastern countries with conflicts between Shi'ites and Sunnis. The issue in Israel is that you have two very stubborn sides whose personalities were born out of conflict and defiance, which results in great difficulty in creating a dialogue in which people will actually try to find a compromise settlement and have everyone on both sides respect such a settlement.
And I apologize for getting a little worked up and hypocritically commenting on politics, just i get fed up when people on any side of an argument make statements based on emotion and propaganda instead of well researched and objective study. there are other places where you can argue all you like, lets keep our arguments here to wheelsize, suspension, and brand loyalty.
To many words but still gave you a prop for the first sentence, this whole situation is ridiculous, we are all here because we f*cking love bikes. Why cant we all just skip along together being friends with rainbows and unicorns and sh*t wherever we come from or whatever we worship.
to all: I'm sorry we got into this. but, you cant judge us until you live with terror, next door. and to all you peace fighters, I really think that peace is the way for all religions. but if you really fight for peace, go and help the people in Syria. I'm sure you did not get to read anywhere that Israel sending aid to the people of Syria. And delivers electricity and free water and food for the Palestinians. Even that in return they shoot at us ... Live your life. And if you're really bored. Get out and ride. And do not mess with things you do not understand...
There are not many downhill bike parks in Israel, but there are plenty of beautiful all mountain trails to ride in.
In the dead of winter you Europeans can come and spend a week of single-trail riding in the desert.
Mad love to our MTB bros in Israel from your Yankee friends in the US. I've always wanted to visit, now I have yet another reason. Keep up the good fight y'all. Cheers.
all people need to drop their books of god and pick up a more useful read"the big blue book of bike repair" Thats the real bible! Oh ya my god is Gary Fisher
Think of this: the kids riding in this video are part of the generation we all hope will contribute to somehow solving this problem. If every time they post up a video or a picture of themselves having fun on their bikes you drag them right back down into a pissing match about who's right, how exactly do you think YOU are contributing to laying the foundation for a potential peaceful co-existence? If you insist on not letting these kids share their stoke with the rest of the world, you are just going to further isolate them and justify them in their belief that it's them against the world. And from that point on, another generation goes to war...
All the haters on here (from both sides), you are contributing to perpetuating the problem much in the same way as the terrorist leaders impregnating young Arab kids with their anti-Israel/anti-West doctrine are. Think about it.
Now go ride your bikes. People who ride bikes don't start wars.
Stoked to see Israel is slowly building it's MTB community. I have been wanting to go back and visit got lots of family all over Israel this gives me even more insentive to do so. And to everyone talking shit or bringing politics into this just remember it's only a video of some locals showing what there country has to offer for the MTB community. Also who cares about how big or gnar the trails are it's about the love for this sport and having fun with what ever can be built it's not like they have an army of MTB's to help build give it a few years i'm sure more lines and trails to come. You guys are rad hope to visit soon.
Israel is a great place to ride your bike, not just the bike park at mt. hermon (I haven't been there), there are also a lot of great trails to pedal. Just to bad people talk a lot about politics here and not about riding bike.
Ya know I use biking as a way to get away from all the bullshit in life, an escape from all the negativity and stresses that surround us everyday. After reading through some of these comments It would appear that some people want to try and bring that same bullshit into biking and start debates/arguments about stuff completely irrelevant to riding. Aren't we all here because of our love of MTB??
It's really cool that bike parks are popping up all around the world like israel. Who cares what the political situation is? i'm not living there so doesn't affect me
Okay so to me that system looks like it DOES not need a full DH bike . I could ride my AM rig easily on that trail system. Was looking for something that was DH but props for actually starting somewhere . Guys seriously ? Politics ? C'mon , there is enough always on TV , lets keep this place clean of the bs and lies please .
I will say this tho , a lot of countries better thank the USA otherwise they wouldnt be shit . Good day now !
And to my point, We as a nation had probably made many many mistakes throughout history, maybe we could have done things in other ways too. But this is not a one side story and the Palestinians are way far from being saints. They and the entire Arab world around us had been trying to vanish us systematically for more than 60 years.
So yeh: We block ships from reaching Gaza - We don't want to make life easy for those that fire missiles on us. (we deliver any aid on them though, not that there anything to deliver, the ships a loaded with nothing but propaganda) We built a fence between the west bank and ourselves - guess what, buses miraculously stopped exploding on us ever since. We take down the head of a terrorist from time to time, hack, the US and other Nato parties do it about a thousand times more than us, and that's while fighting 10,000 miles from home. And most importantly, we ride DH, and love it.
So to all those that red so far, thank you, and for those that couldn't resist attacking Israel I say: "Try walking in my (our) shoes" before you spread your "just-graduated-school-nothing-to-do-no-worries-why-not-join-a-peace-camp-and-oh-those-obnoxious-Israelis-I-hate-them" Tora.
Nice vid guys enjoyed watching. I still think PB should delete all posts, too many filled with vitriol. A mtb forum is no stage for world politics. Admins should get rid of all posts as not to be seen as taking sides.
Gr8 vid, awesome riding. And now to the less sexy political section (do skip this if you're here just for biking, unfortunately some intelligent keyboard protesters thought this was a good spot to wage their ignorant war against Israel)
Let's start with a short history lesson shall we. At 1947 the UN proposed to both Jews and Arabs to form two separate states in the land of Israel. One side immediately accepted, and wanted to live peacefully side-by-side with the other which in return immediately started war (we call it out "Independence War"). Guess which side is which? At that time btw, the Arabs were suggested a territory far larger than they will ever get under any future settlement.
Since then, Israel had faced 7 wars plus about 20 years of Intifada (that's another name for simply put - war in which the targets are civilians) (b.t.w, have you guys ever been in one? had your fathers ever had to leave home to war, my assumption is that for most of the so-called activists here the answer is no, more about it in a minuet).
Were we always as bad as some say we are? Let me tell you one thing, I do not know if there's any other nation in the world which could remain half as human as we are will enduring what we endure. Just a small personal example, a few months ago, while Hamas militants targeted Tel-Aviv (where I live) with rockets, during a missile attack running to our shelter I had to explain my 3 year old son what's happening, so I told him that there's a fire and Fireman Sam is on the way. The sad thing is, that my parents had probably told me such stories and their parents told them too. (Though I'm not sure they had known Fireman Sam back then).
Jackdirt, these websites you read for your research, the names of the people who found the information the doctors the witnesses etc etc this is validated by who? You say the media brainwashes people into believing lies, yet its easier to lie on websites like the bollox you read. These are the same websites that say the moon landing was a hoax and obama is an alien...............go figure!
Did not know this existed in Israel. Anyone know if you can get a rental there? We have an office in Tel Aviv and I have always wanted to get out and ride. Delta charges to much money for me to take my bike. Always had to resort to running.
I am not sure if you can rent a DH bike here, maybe something lighter but I wont count on it. Also, we only have this spot (from the video) and another place called Manara which can justify a big bike. BUT! if you are OK with pedaling, Israel has a HUGE verity of AM trails, some of them are absolutely epic. Feel free to contact me if you are around, you can join me and my buddies for a ride.
Lots of desert all mountain riding trails in Israel, too. With daytime temperatures at 15-20 C, it's perfect for Europeans looking for rides this time pf year.
@road-n-dirt yes you can rent a car and\or bike in TelAviv. there are some great places to ride near the beach, or on the mountains. here is some riding from Israel too: www.pinkbike.com/video/189530
I didn't see any palestinian on a proper bike to ride a bike park during my time there. I think first you need a bike and then a bike park and not the other way round.
to "jalmina" Israel is a great place to ride if you had a right religion! If you dont like us "european's" you shoud never came here... Like always when anybody dare to say something,even a harmless critic about the "chosen people" it's starts a sovinist scandal by cionist.
I would rather wipe my ass with the money, than ever spend a buck in that paranoid , fucked up shithole called israel . governed by fascists .
Definetely the worst country I have ever been to , DONT GO THERE .
First sorry but ill start with ombre3000 from Germany well I don't see any connection with the love of above 300,000 mtb riders in Israel and the conflict as you say in the Middle East mind you that israel in still the only democratic country in the whole area !!its like I will tell you that you role your tyres on the ashes of six millions children man and woman that your grandfather killed so really f you
Secoend mtb here is the most develop sport in the last 10 years .you can find here lots of butufull single tracks super wether different soil and two good dh locations to ripp
So as an Israeli I chose to ride....just like you
Israel...démocratique... LoL . Le seul "état" avec des camps de prisonniers , des murs anti-immigration, des miradors pour mieux tuer les goss, et des chasses au noirs dans les rues.... ça ne vous rapelle rien tout ça ?
Ombre3000, why do you mix politics with mountain biking? Is your hatred towards Israel (Jews) is burning in your bones to such a degree that you just cant hold your self from spilling your filth here? This video is about mountain biking, the essence of freedom, NOT POLITICS!
Biensur que je parle Anglais, sinon comment aurais-je compris que tu accuse personnellement le grand père de ombre3000 de meurtre ? A sa place j'engagerais des poursuites contre toi pour calomnie.
loolilion thats a bit stuipid to say, english do you speak it? the most spoken language is in fact chinese so dont expect everyone to speak enlgish online too
Well.. Since about 1/3 of the English language is of French origin, by default he also speaks a fair amount of English. Actually "mountain" comes from "montagne" and "bike" (abbreviation of bicycle) comes from "bicyclette", so without the French there would be no "mountain biking" - literally, they pretty much invented it! You wouldn't even be able to change gears, if they didn't invent the "dérailleur"...
@loolilon Israel is far from being a proper democracy, it isn't the only democratic country in the Middle East, Turkey is, and Jordan and Iran are kind of a democracy aswell, plus others, but IMO democracy is a failed experiment. Also spread your propaganda somewhere else. You Israeli's are always quick to say look at the "terrible" events that happened to us in the war, but you always cover the fact that your people have killed and imprisoned millions of palestinians as well as stolen a whole country.
Nygaard, both languages are of Latin origin. Loolilon, sorry but your "democratic" country is notoriously exclusionary, elitist and perpetrates constant human rights abuses with impunity because whatever Isreal does America has its back. Your country's foreign policy is an absolute disgrace and I would be ashamed if I were you.
English is a Germanic language. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages French is a Romance language. But I don't want to get too deep into that for now I'll rather go out and ride!
dhflow, -9C outside, so I'd rather spend some time indoors on culture and history! :p After all, understanding where we come from is understanding who we are.
LOOLilon! i like the way u still bring up the whole 6 million thing! i dont think it is that he hates Jews or Israel more he hates the way the majority of you lot think its ok to exhort, bribe, corrupt, destroy, rape and take hostage, lie and even kill us Goy. i've been researching this topic for a while and although i do not group people into stereo types it would seem that U LOT are good at those injustices. and would drop that whole 6 million thing as the polish government dropped their official figures and its PROVEN there were no gas chambers or that national socialists never had any plan in killing Jews, this was published at the time of the war by Jewish newspapers and now they have to keep up the lie, just deporting them to either Palestine or Madagascar. shame it wasn't Madagascar.
you may think im racist, but if your willing to listen i have proof for all my claims! do you have any proof against them, other than calling me an anti semite or holocaust denier.
If were getting onto women riding bikes I've maybe only seen 10 of them so I suspect Iran didn't have many. Not that take much notice of women riding. I really dont see why we're talking about any of this anyway. I sure that this website is called "pink bike.com" and not "pink lets argue about history and politics with some different country with some extra bike news.com So stop argueing and go out side and ride you bike. Because its the best thing ever. I've just been out on my bike it's -1 (not quite -9) and 5 foot deep in places and I still had fun!!!!!!!!!!' so stop complaining about life because it's clearly not as bad as your making out because you've got a bike!!!!!!!!!
@ItamarLevy Israel is not a fair representative for the Jewish people, Israel is evil!! Jewish children, women and some men are not! there are thousands of Jews that do not agree with Israels actions. i support these people! you cannot have freedom or democracy on stolen land!!
@ MASyMas - miss the vichy government much? Go speak with the Arabs in the suburbs of paris before you speak of prisoner camps! LOL!
@ Jackdirt and rbeach - get over the fact that ENGLAND, the epicentre of injustice and oppression (just ask the Irish, Scottish, Chinese, Canadians, Argentinians (falklands), etc.) for over a century is now just a smouldering ash pile of the former empire. They just crapped all over the world, then took off and left the mess for someone else to clean up.
@ daniel1928 - careful speaking about stolen land, just check with the aborigines about who stole their land!
@Nygaard: I went out of the house, felt the temperature, and changed my plan: Just running. 0C here. @JackDirt. This video was not posted by the state of Israel.
@JackDirt - Bibi Netanyahu, our prime minister is a proper c*nt, just as most politicians are. But saying that Israel is Evil... you are brainwashed to such a degree to be completely blind to what goes on around you. I guess that once the UK (or the whole of Europe) will be renamed to The United Islamic Kingdom than your tone would be less harsh. Here in Israel women are equal to men, you can be Gay, Lesbian and get married and have children - a complete freedom to do whatever we want. You know what happens to you if you happened to be Gay in Gaza? You get your head chopped off. So go on, read the Guardian and believe all this apartheid shit you are being mindlessly fed. If you want to know what the reality in Israel is really like, come to Israel and see for yourself.
well palestine got a non-member status (ONU) and israel to cheer them started building colonies on ''their'' land.... if this isn't evil it's certainly not good faith
@Dhflow i never stated it was, and am responding to a comment, all world issues aside i think its great there is a bike park in PALESTINE!!!!
@ItamarLevy i understand Nethanyahu does not represent the people who live in the country, i may well be Brainwashed but by who. Media? owned mostly by Jews, are you saying this is why? Internet well Youtube and Google take down most things that are Against Jews, true or not! so who is Brainwashing me! Brainwash: Make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure..... hmmm who in Europe is pushing for open boarders (which tbf i dont really disapprove as i beleive people should be able to go and live where they want!). in Israel Jewish men, women, gays are free your correct but if your a Palestinian, north African or black you will be segregated, imprisoned or even shot! Gaza is the biggest open air concentration camp that ever existed! (Israel control EVERYTHING that goes into Gaza) these are not myths that the Guardian have created i have many peers that have protested in Israel for Palestine, even some that were unarmed in international waters, heading for Gaza bringing Aid that were shot at by Israelis.... so stick to your racist state of Israel! where a black man cant marry a Jew without great difficulty or cannot convert... your race/religion is Racist!!! FREE PALESTINE!@!@!@! and actually it was the British government (that had no right!) that gave settlers permission to settle in Palestine. before then Jews, Muslims and Arabs lived along side each other in Peace!!!
@jackDirt - You just said "if your a Palestinian, north African or black you will be segregated, imprisoned or even shot! " which is utter rubbish, and all the rest of your proven "facts". Trolling is not worth my comments.
ok maybe not shot in all instances but your defenetly looked at as a lower class, parts of your own country your not allowed to go. and imprisoned, the way Israel treats Gaza it may as well be called Prison of Israel for the Goy!
also do you have any FACTS that contradict me!
If the mods could please delete this thread it'd be great. Just ride your bikes and quit bitching, if a 15 year old is mature enough to enjoy a biking edit and not start holocaust/irael vs palestinian crap then all of you can to.
Im wondering how little loolion knows about are grandfather's doing? In the II world war EVERYBODY has sufer,whit no race or religion excepting. What a smart well documented educated guy! ...to defend him self attack's us. TIPIC!!!
Aibek2, You should say thanks for this, if you don't want to ride there it's fine, but don't say bad things about. there's people that works 24/7 at summer for us to have place to ride, and if this is the treatment they getting for maybe they should stop "working" for us.
Israel it's not your country; Israel doesn't exsist. Set Palestine free, don't behave as nazists did. People in Palestine can't be helped by ONG because Israel people don't allow it. I suggest you (israelians) to be more tolerant and permissive, people are the same with all the same rules and rights.
