Descendence Bike Launch Preview

 wow are you kidding me, that stupid metal stencil thing is gona rip you up if you fall on it

 the headtube ones allgood but i dont like the look of the one on the downtube. I'd just get some stickers. the quality of work looks amazing

 why is there welding around the headtube cup section?

 because they made it an integrated headset

 All my bikes have intergrated headsets, and there all machined from a single peice. witch I would think would be much stronger?

 where is the shock mount on the full sus?

 The 3 point 5 looks OK but why if its a dj frame would you give it vertical dropouts instead of horizontal?

 sam-davies you have to be joking? These are way better then DoctorZ's frames.

 Is your sarcasm detector not working?

 Sarcasm isn't the easiest thing to see on the internet.

 It is when someone says a 50lbs iron bike is better then the lightest dirt jump frame available.

 x2. how does he make the lightest ht and his DH bike is pretty heavy by todays standards. that thing needs to wieght 9.5 lbs WITH shockto be competative

 Hey kevex you abviously dont have a clue what you are talking about check out tims profile and you will see the where the shock mounts! And on that note this is a dude who works 40hr weeks and makes bikes for sheer enjoyment on the side!

 soz!! aust take that back.just seen the pics of a fully made up bike. looks like one of the best full suser designs ive seen. just use to seeing the shock mount on the front triangle. liking the full set up lol u should always read all the comments b4 posting ur 2cents on this site

 if the big boys bring a simular design out in a few years we'll defo know its a beasty design. (yeah im talking to u trek,giant,kona,specialized!)

 Yeah haha thats cool kev! Frames are super different an everyone gets to make up there mind if they like them or not. Keep on shredding man!

 Ok, the hardtail is awsome, I would like to test it for a magazine i'm working for in the Netherlands. But I think the metal stencils have to go, no matter how beautifull, it's dangerous haha. And you may wan't to consider making a version with horizontal dropouts since every one is going with those at the moment, much stronger and rear der. has no use to many riders. But the overall image, impressed!!!!! the look is something I've not seen yet and it's totally great stuff! Go for it!

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Blameitonus = f*ggets XD why did you guys down rate that ? tell me the DJ frame looks great but what the helle happend for that ''fully'' xD

 To all the people bitching and crying about stuff... like welded head tubes, www.descendence.com.au/?q=node/8

 Also... to settle this weight talk on here... if you look on his website, HE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS THE ULTRA LIGHT FRAMES ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T ABUSE BIKES. IE, the low 3lb frame would be used for someone ultra smooth at dj-ing, or as a contest type bike. IE you would replace the frame every few seasons at most.

Give the bikes and the guy a chance to explain themselves before you shoot em down. By the looks of it he actually has some pretty decent stuff. It's a garage job, so if you have a hard on for only demo's and other botique shit... pass this on. If you want to support a rider just having fun building shit... check this guys stuff out.

Really dug your site bro. Nice to see a riders site actually legit and fresh unlike many other web designs. Simple, to the point, and absolutely blunt in all the typing. Hope things pan out for ya


btw guys, have you ever though that he left the shock mount out because it would break patent laws? looks very vpp ish to me soo in other words since he is a 1 off for fun bike builder, he probably won't give a hoots about design limitations legally. Just what I think. COuld be wrong. I'd do the same thing if I was a frame builder and wasn't planning on going into mass production.

 nm mistaken by the shock mount. Wow that really caught me off guard... and with the linkage. reminds me of a certain stainless frame i've been drooling off for awhile now.

 doctorZ is a boss okay. dont be hating

 The fullie is VPP(I know because he mentioned it in the frame building thread, and), it classifies as such by the links rotating in opposite directions. He has nothing to worry about of pattent laws for VPP is an american pattent... He just can't sell it in the US. It's the same as where Devinci couldn't sell their bikes with the Horste link in the US(so they just made a NON-Horste version for US sales)...

 you know your stuff eh

 it is ideed not a VPP...no infringments there. it is however a shortlink four bar, so its essentially very similar. the term "VPP" actualy only patents the nme, not the system. the shorlink fourbar has been around for over a hundred years, in various iterations.

 Banshee is 100% correct, the power to the VPP patent is the statement regarding counter rotating links. The patent has nothing to do with the length of swing arms.

 The "VPP" patent sold to Santacruz Bicycles by Outland Bikes, reffers to the counter rotating links which cause the axle to move in an "S" patern(if one of the links was rotated a complete 360 degrees, the axle would trace a figure-8 ), as where the links on other systems that rotate in the same direction, for example DW-Link, if one of the links were rotated a full 360 degrees, the axle would trace a rough oval shape. These characteristics are what set the two formations appart and what determines if a system falls under the VPP patent or not.

I'm not dissing on your design or anything, the bike is great, but argue all you want... call up the us patent office and they'd tell you the same as I just explained...

 congrats mad!

stil waiting to see this build on the home-made-bikes thread

 fanks its only to people like yourself that id ever cater, obviously the mainstream crowd wont accept steel frames. i like it that way

 hahaha thanks man, wow you sound like you are talking to a big company like giant or something. i make my frames singehandedly witout any budget...i am the designer, fabricator, welder, sticker fella, everything. there aint no loan or budget here, just me and my shed and my hands after i finish work all day and people who belive in me. remember that...

 until i saw yours, i thought it was a slopestyle frame

 Ha same, would make a good slopestyle frame, maybe with slightly different geo?

 yer reminded me slighlty of the corsair konig. even though for saying this there are goin to be tons of people saying that im a complete retard and the geo is nothing like it

 www.pinkbike.com/photo/5262115

 thanks dude

 hmm...yeaaa..seeee?!?!

 yes.... but not everyone wants a stiff bike. many people prefer steel over aluminum for that very reason. also. flexible is good for a bike to a certain point, it absorbs shock and last longer.

 stiffness is a function mainly of tub diameter, not material. steel frames are generally concieved as being flexy due to the small diameter tubes used on the frames. ride the akuma, it certainly aint flexy- its rediculously stiff cause the chainstays are massive.

 right..... for sure tube diameter makes a big difference in stiffness but material has to have more of a function of weather something is stiff or not. even two different types of steel are going to have a big difference in stiffness if you comparing one with a high carbon content to little carbon content.

i just thought aluminum is always stiffer because when an aluminum frame breaks its just " all of a sudden, where as a steel one - if your lucky - you can see a crack before complete failure, because its not as stiff, and more ductile... ?

 dont confuse brittleness with stiffness...

 ah right right, i just got confused with all the variables of comparing steel vs alum

 Definitley dude! Like the way you think! T whip a 10lb frame of 3lb I no which one im going with!

 hahahaha i like the name! you gotta be an aussie.

 yep sure am & i can assure you i didn't vote for that fukwit like the majority of western australians did idiots vote green people! sorry to be harsh on the welding its just my observation thats all which is usually pretty poor anyway haha have you done any test on the headtube area? thats the only thing that concerns me other than that the Akumba looks great very nice looking frame best looking dually you've made so far well done it will be good to see someone racing 1 of these in the state rounds next year that will be the true test for the bike see how it copes with a full season of racing abuse on it good luck & all the best to you Tim can't wait to see this bike on the trails!

 the cups are inserted with an interference fit over the headtube with 12mm of overlap- they're just an edge re-enforcer to stop ovalisation. cant really see em breakin in a hurry. the headtube itself continues all the way down into the re-enforcer.

 yea cool if thats the case then yea you shouldn't have a problem with it in theory it should be stronger as i said my observation is poor haha nice design.

 This is just a preview into the bikes man Tim will be coming out with all of the frames geo and specs etc later this year

 The piece of metal is a gusset for a bend in the tube. The steel on that model of Akuma is straight gauge 4130, but butted tubing is an option.

 dont know what bit of metal to which you are refering...chainstay or seatstay? they're both just tubes, no excess anything.
this frame was entirely custom to graeme, the rider- the head angle of this frame was 65 degrees, chainstay length was 435mm, wheelbase 1165mm.

im about to make another, the head angle 64 degrees and otherwise all simillar. obviously the wheelbase etc is dependent on rider height.

this frame is plain guage 4130 cromolly steel with an extra heavy guage downtube, as graeme has previously sheered the headtube off a nicolai...my version (im only 65kg) will be triple butted cromolly and hopefully weigh less than 7lb complete frame.

 I think he means the bit of metal I've circled here: www.pinkbike.com/photo/5521938

 oh right that one- thats just cause the tube has a bend in it and its a stress riser because the tube is narrower on the bend, and somewhere on the swingarm is usually where a dual sus frame will fail, if its gonna.

 i spotted that too

 yeah thats my custom frame, its the only 3point5, or actually the only 26" i know of, that has an integrated seatpost. its amazing what you can get hooked up with if you write to the right people and ask nicely

 you get any ht angle you want if you would bother to read.

 would everyine stop whinging about the dropouts for f*cks sake? i made the frames, obviously i could make it with verticals, it aint that hard! it was my personal frame, i wanted gears...just look at my pics, there's plenty with verticals.

 I really like the look and style of these frames, dont take the comments personally, these guys bash anything with two wheels. BUT, take some of this as needed feedback- see what people like and what they dont- its important if you want to grow your buisness.

 it also shows you that none of these kids can read anything longer than a text message.

 hahaha i just love a good e-fight

 i design my own. it'd be a bit difficult to make everything that people propose to me...

 madm3chanic wow !!man your doing some guys dream building his hown frames some they just cant see that but i do ,keep on the good work ,hope to see new stuff in the futur ,and il like to know will you try aluminum in the futur

 i was thinking the exact same thing.

 Cheers for the positive feedback mate!

 yeah man, me.

 haha sweet, I'll give you a shout when I have enough money for that 3point5

 Thanks bro

 the fully is heavy cos i asked for it to be heavy. i weigh 130kg and throw 50kg storage boxes around all day for a living, a little bit of weight doesnt bother me, i preffer strength in the frame.

 Thats sooo sweeet

 my frames can be vertical, horizontal, 135, 150, 10mm, 12mm, QR, maxle...its all custom. heres one with horizontals- www.pinkbike.com/photo/4740942

 huh www.pinkbike.com/photo/5020739

 and you probably think Intense have nice welds too mysticar

 in fairness its better than what you are ridding now though

 I've ridden the 3point5 frame and I can say that I was a bit nervous at first about dropping of a curb but I manned up and did it. It was so tense man! I'd say the frame was put under a lot of stress from this death-defying feat, but it held strong and lived to drop more curbs.

 i dont know why some many people are complaining about the stencil lettering cutting you......a little file and sand paper and its perfect, unless your completely retarded, you should be fine.

 I would never want somthing attached to my frame that could cut me. Sorry. Does look cool though.