Technically Speaking Just Go Ride

Jul 12, 2012
by Matthew Mallory  
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Look at that, 26", 26", 29", all co-exhisting on one tailgate.


The issue of wheel size and mountain bikes is cropping up once again. In a sense it had never left, but the talk had started to die down a touch now that manufacturers have been producing 29ers that handle well. This year the debate was opened up again with many manufacturers offering the 650b wheel size.

Okay maybe a lot of the online talk is for different reasons than the actual wheel sizing. The media needs to have something to write about, so what better than stirring up the waters with their sometimes educated, sometimes uneducated views. People on forums rant, rave and occasionally get downright insulting when discussing the topic, but that seems to be the flow of the forum anyways no matter what they are chatting about. In the end it is probably just a fun way to kill time for most. When I worked in a bike shop we always had debates among the staff about different parts, what you should be using, the pros and cons of wide bars vs. narrow etc. It made for fun, lively, sometimes beer fuelled discussion, but in the end it meant little and rarely changed our opinions.

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Brian Onofrichunk rips up some Pemberton loam on 26" wheels. Betcha he isn't debating the merits of wheel size.


29ers have been with us for several years now and they are generally accepted. Sure when they first came out the frame geometry wasn't quite dialled, and wheel, tire and fork selection was very limited. All things that added to the generally poor handling characteristics of what was then an odd ball bike. But and it's a big but, most who rode and reviewed them did find some positive points. Now that the engineering wizards have caught up and built frames that rip, suspension and wheels are spot on and one can even get rubber that is sticky and made for serious downhill work, not just quickly spinning up a fire road, the 29er has been accepted and is now just another option for one's quiver, not a cause for on trail stares and debate.

With the introduction of the 650b wheel the debate has fired up again and frankly it is a boring one. Why can't people just accept that everyone can like whatever they want. There are advantages and disadvantages to each, whether it be 26", 29" or 650b and we can all choose what we want to have rolling under us.

Photo Toby Salin

Though you can't see it the author is smiling while rolling down the steeps of Billy's Epic on his two-niner. Whoever says they are no good for steep, technical riding probably hasn't ridden a well designed 29er frame. Photo: Toby Salin


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Lindsay Trimble tries out a 650b wheelset on her Rocky Mountain Element in last year's Nimby Fifty. Would have to say if you can shred the loose, steep and rocky trails of that course then it proves that the wheel size is working.


I guess this really brings us to what I wanted to get across here, I am just frankly sick of all the technical shit in the mountain bike world. All of the big brands are now producing pretty wicked products and most importantly they generally have engineers working for them that know more than most of us laymen do about how to design and build a bike that rips. All the debating of what is good, what isn't good, what is garbage and slinging insults at anyone that doesn't agree with us is taking away from the sport.

Next time you need a part or even a new bike, instead of seeing what everyone online and the media thinks, try walking into your local bike shop and ask what the staff are riding. These are people who have usually dedicated their lives to bikes and with access to pretty much anything on the market you will generally see a trend in what style of bike they're riding, what components are being used (and this means they work and stand up to whatever your local style of riding is), tire selection, etc, etc, etc.

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Toby Salin enjoying his 26" wheels in Lillooet. He spends most of his time pedalling with the occasional shuttle and bike park day, owns one bike and is considering a 29er for his next rig.


Make life simple, try a couple bikes out with a couple different tire sizes and see what works for you or do what most of us do and go buy whatever tickles your fancy, if it catches your eye you will probably enjoy it. Instead of all the boring technical talk how about we spend our time riding bikes and maybe talking about how much damn fun we are having out there. Snap some pics, take some video, have fun, share it if you want. That is the sort of stuff that the mountain bike culture is made of, the tech fashion of the week will always die by the wayside as the newest, bestest, next big thing comes out, but the memories of the rides we have, the friends we hang out with and the places a bike takes us will live on, stories for around the campfire that make up the lifestyle that is mountain biking.

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77 Comments
  • 24 0
 all the hype and bitching is just silly! its bad enough there are groups of people that just want the best gear wether they need it or not. so now they gotta bitch because having the best gear might mean spending more money again!
how about....buy a bike....and ride it?
  • 10 3
 its stupid when people spend rediculous amounts of money on bikes they dont need, i build up a carbon nomad with 34's and full xtr for a customer, cost him around 5 grand and he will only be riding trails on it that i have rode on my hardtail that cost around 1.5k. unneccasary money waisting, although it keeps me in a job so im not complaining too much lol
  • 8 0
 Agreed socommk23. Rode dh with a guy the other weekend on a 6 year old single crown bike with a single gear (not single speed, he couldn't be arsed buying a new rear mech) and he ripped it. Hit all the big jumps and generally ripped with a smile on his dial. Hell yeah to just riding!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 That's it. Just buy a bike that suits the trails you want to ride and shred hard. It really is that simple.
  • 9 1
 I have seen people spend a whole lot of money on their DH bikes, only to get beat by guys on hardtails, on a DH course which is not a DH course. Oh well, as a friend would say, once they grow tired of their fancy-schmancy parts we get them for cheap, and not in a bad shape at all!
  • 11 0
 Exactly.
After developing a heart condition that has not allowed me to ride for quite some time, things are VERY clear to me now:

Wheel size or parts mean nothing...

Being able to ride means everything!
  • 2 0
 ^ dude. get well soon! I had 1 season for healing myself - it's not good. Just stay with your ride buddies, and support them in the races, or make some media for them. (That helped me).
  • 1 6
flag rffr (Jul 14, 2012 at 22:38) (Below Threshold)
 This is exactly what the author of this article is talking about : "its stupid when people spend rediculous amounts of money on bikes they dont need, i build up a carbon nomad with 34's and full xtr for a customer, cost him around 5 grand and he will only be riding trails on it that i have rode on my hardtail that cost around 1.5k. unneccasary money waisting, although it keeps me in a job so im not complaining too much "

34in wheels? Where did you get that from? Show me 34's on the market. Do you mean 24's? And yes, 24's have a massive following even in this era. Low stand over height, full travel, easy and slow turning. I rode 24's for a decade in BMX, and rode a rear 24 in DH MTB for 6 years. Don't judge me for what I like, judge me for how much more fun I had on the trail than you (plus how much more hot chick ass I got during also). You are ranting exactly about what the author told you to STFU about.

Basically, you said it keeps you in a job... no... it doesn't... you being courtious, good bike builder does, not some chum like me who likes weird shit. In the end you have a job because your shop either has a top notch reputation, or your a sleezy salesman... not because you built a 1 off weird job for 1 dude. Sales and jobs go over many people coming in, not one. If he bought a 50,000$ bike then that would cover your job for maybe a few months. The fact you talk like you do mean your another brainless tech that knows how to put something together in a decent mannar, but doesn't truly give a shit about the customer. Ultimately reflecting on your shop you work for.
  • 2 0
 He meant 34mm stanchions.
  • 1 0
 No he didn't PLC07.
  • 1 0
 Ever heard of a Fox 34?
  • 17 0
 You're all wrong anyway. Everyone knows the future is in 44 inch 890h wheels with dropper handlebars and a 9 x 6 drivetrain.
  • 11 0
 no,no,no the future is an 11 speed cassete with a triple crankset on a 12 speed internal hub. .... .... 396 gears here i come
  • 1 0
 future will be an 100'ers just like 100 years ago when some genius guy fix a crankset into the hub . . FTW!
  • 1 0
 is it sad that i want a go on this futureistic 396 speed bike??? lol
  • 14 2
 Well... I can only see that the manufacturers went out of ideas and tries some kind of thing like 29" and now this 650b. They tried to get into with the 29" wheels to the gravity side of the sport but they couldn't, after all it failed - becouse it messed up the whole geometry (too long wheelbase, too long chainstay etc - lacks of manover, less stiff especially in forks etc). I know that the 650b is a try to solve the problem, but im more afraid that it limits the 26" spareparts already, it is logical that a manufacturer have to make all of the 3 size, so he need to get some from the 26" to the new wheel sizes. Im in afraid that this procedure will make the 26" rims and complete wheels and even spokes price higher and higher - and this for a budged rider as me is a huge problem. You can truly see in the 6speed to 11speed procedure - i can't even get a 6 speed chain and 6 speed casette with 6 speed shifter (6speed is that i truly ever will need in DH)- this means i HAVE to buy the already weaker bullshit (for example narrower chain - which is much more weaker than the 6 speed was) - now i use 8 speed, but how much time can i use this 8, when we are already at the end of 10?... Do you know what i want? I want a bike that i can use for TEN YEARS, not fancy 650b and 29" wheels - i need STRONG and RELIABLE bike! I don't want to service it every week i want to use it as a fit and forget bike, i want to service it only 1x in a year (oil change in the fork and shock - seal change if needed, oil change in the brakes, break pad change when it is needed, regrease the parts 1x in a year, lube the chain). But above that i don't even want to think about service - i just want to use it and HAVE FUN...
  • 1 0
 i agree 100%
  • 1 0
 bravo!!!! 100% agree!
  • 1 0
 im all up for fit and forget-ness but id hate to see the state of my bike if it only got serviced once a year!!! haha
  • 1 1
 Umm, who says 29 inch wheels won't last 10 years? Who says frames that utilize 29's won't last the same (althought we do know they don't... and that goes for modern 26 in dh rigs also).

You don't like 29in wheels, or 27ish wheels, what if I were to say... you riding 26's made you a lamer because 24's are twice as strong. Or that you can't get enough speed to clear a gap so you had to go to 26's, or more.

What if I told you my bikes will last 20 years longer than yours? Don't like the finger pointing game no more do ya.
  • 1 0
 The main problem not about the lasting more about it creates higher prices even in the 26 inch wheels, 26 inch frames, and 26 inch tyres - manufacturers must get some from the 26 inch market to create the capacity of the 29 and 750b do you understand now? It is a main rule to creat something in bigger number the product will become cheaper, look at a made in taiwan product and look at a product that was made out of this country. I would do the same, i would make the lower quilty product in Taiwan to make it cheaper becouse it is in big number and would make the top quality product outside of this country, they can make quality product in Taiwan, but it would make the price so much higher becouse of the quality control that comes much more often. Especially i know about 10 or even 15 (i can't even count on my own fingers) 29 inch frames that cracked in the chainstay - and all cracked at this point, so what's the point that you said? Becouse usually i know what i say, this is not just i don't like it, it is more about i know what does it mean - it is not the same man, it is not the same...

After all i think manufacturers should be concentrate how to creat lighter, but still reliable gearboxes becouse the failure of the bikes is about 60% becouse of the snapped chain, or deralleur crashes in the trail. I would also change the handlebar clamp to wider becouse lots of handlebar becomes dead after just a single crash - winder clamp side would be stiffer and also prevents more in a crash (like Thomson and Easton did). But there are a lot of other way that can make our much loved bikes more reliable and stronger. I don't think 29 inch wheels is bad for xc, but i know it will limits the market that already has high prices.
  • 11 1
 29ers are not for everyone ok, and neither is 650b i think is the other. What i am not keen on is all the HYPE surrounding the issue. If people want either of the newer wheel sizes to ride then so be it, let them make the choice for themselves.Not have it continually marketed down their throats in all the mags etc. I am more than happy with my Nomad from the smithsonian, if in the future i decide to change my wheel size, be it my choice or if 26ers are killed off??. Any way, rant over.
  • 7 0
 People should just pick whichever they feel the best on and go ride. No need for a debate
  • 2 0
 AGREED! All people have different tastes and priorities, nothing will ever feel exactly the same to someone else... The only reviews I find helpful are the ones that point out flaws with designs and usability.
  • 4 0
 Hallelujah, Matt eye says exactly what needs to be said about biking. I had the pleasure of working with Matty back in the day and it was fun banter, at then end of the day everyone just rode what they wanted and no one said a word about it. Go ride your bike people and just shut the hell up about it.
  • 2 0
 Thanks Dave. Dave by the way was the king of shit bikes for a long time and still had more fun than most tearing it up in the bike park, shuttling and pedalling.
  • 5 1
 I definitely don't agree with asking staff in bike shops. 9 times out of 10 they're blowing smoke up your arse or trying to sell based on trends.

But whatever...... Just go ride! You are dead right on that account! Ride, ride, and ride some more. :-)
  • 4 0
 Would have to agree about bike shop employees, some are good, but I've heard alot of bs from others. There is no guarantee they ride much or know what they are talking about just because they work in a bike shop, Better off asking people who ride your trails sometimes.

This was a confusing article to read, author talks about how it was fun to debate about products when he worked at a shop, but now he doesn't want us to debate tech stuff? That's not fair, cause debating this stuff is fun! Not as much fun as riding, but it helps fuel the passion. And quite often, people do change their mind about stuff cause of the debates...especially if they are debating me. No, but there is a clear value to it, and even in hating on stuff. There is a good book called The Power of Pessimism, talks about how alot of progress actually comes from negativity.

If mountain biking is your main passion, you have no wife or kids, and some free time, you can't just let it stop once the ride ends. I love the ride, but I also love the bike, the trails, and the companies that try to improve the bike. There needs to be debates to keep the manufacturers in check, and to compare ideas and experiences, and the internet is the best place to do it, not on the trail.

The 29er debate sucked because 29ers suck and the 29er people claimed they were taking over everything when in fact they have taken over nothing, but the 650b debate is REAL. Those bikes are fun and fast.

Keep on hating, keep on debating, then go enjoy the ride!
  • 4 0
 I resent that comment, I work in a shop, 9/10 we just try and sell you what you'll enjoy so you don't come back angry.
  • 2 0
 If I was to walk into my LBS where the biggest bike he sells is a stumpjumper, then my questions directed towards my DH rig would be a little skewed.. I agree most of the time they know what they are talking about and are very knowledgeable, but it depends on location and what brands they sell... When I go into my local giant dealership and all the mechanics are riding something besides a Giant how reliable are their opinions on possible bike options? You can read all the reviews you want and do all the research, but the only way to know for sure is to actually use and abuse something. Go out and TRIAL AND ERROR.

I purely buy for looks... the usefulness just simply comes along with it... LOL
  • 2 0
 @man0with0stick: Sorry to have offended you mang. That really wasn't my intention. I feel as though I'm just stating an observation which is based on experience.

That said, I'm glad you are who you are and make a point to make sure the rider get's what's good for him or her. But (!!!!) you are the exception! A precious one too! Where I live, of the 4 shops I've been in, only ONE doesn't try to steer me into crap based on what they sell and what they perceive to be popular in the area. One even did a shoddy job on a bike build then blamed it on the frame being used while trying to get me to buy more expensive crap I didn't need.

That said, I'm still sorry I offended you, but the statement stands. Most shops STILL suck, but you are obviously one of those gems that I would keep coming back to week after week.
  • 1 0
 You think bike shops blow smoke up your ass... go try and by a fad type "AR-15" rifle from a gunshop, and hear the complete bs that comes out of their mouths. Bikes aren't even close to gun shops, but they are getting close. Built it yourself, or be a chum is what it's ending out to be. Find what's best for YOU and go shred.
  • 4 0
 Why do so many people have a issue with mtb'ers spending a lot of money on a bike that is beyond their ability ?? if you had a heap of money and bought a ferrari does that mean your a idiot because you cant drive like a formula 1 driver ? if it was just left to people with lots of talent on crap bikes the whole industry would die. live and let live.
  • 6 0
 Still don't see why we need wheels that are bigger and less nimble than 26 is already. Bring on a 24" dh bike
  • 1 0
 am totally not designing one atm..
  • 1 0
 buy an early 2000's big hit. You can miss match it all you want Wink
  • 1 0
 Now there would be an experiment maxson early 2000's Big Hit with a 29 front and 24 rear. Hahahahah!
  • 1 1
 Big hit didn't have a 29 in front. Talk about sheer bs mmallory. It was a 26 front 24 rear. Many of us rode them. BS doesn't impress... it just makes you look like a complete fuck tard.
  • 2 0
 He said experiment. Forks are swapable so a 29er fork could go on almost any bike...its just not a good idea. Insulting people doesn't impress either rffr. Take a joke when you see it.
  • 1 0
 I miss read him.
Also, "impress"... it's the internet. LOL. If someone wants to "impress" online, they really need to get some friends. Maybe a g/f, and start partying and having fun.

"impressing" online is just about the lamest thing I've ever heard of.
  • 3 0
 People really need to accept the responsibility of choosing what works best for them. Too many people what others to make decisions for them, and then they get all mad when they don't get what they want. So get off your butt and go ride some bikes and figure out what you need and like not the clowns here or some shop guy that may not even do the same type of riding you do.
  • 3 1
 Why so many options? So that all the companies can hype different things at different times and get the trendsters to switch rigs. Its a way to make more money. 29, 650b, 26, gravity dropper, tubeless, 15mm, 20mm, qr? 1.5 headtube, tapered headtube, straight headtube all ways of decreasing component compatibility to make you buy more shit.
  • 5 1
 I dont really want 29" wheels on my 8inch travel DH rig but on my Xc bike sure go for it
  • 7 4
 lol at first I thought this would be a comment about gear queerness but actually it's just another 'come join the 29er bandwagon"-article.
  • 2 0
 Sorry if it came off that way, it wasn't meant to. I own a 29er and a 26" wheeled bike and enjoy riding them both. Everyone should ride what they want or what they have thats all I was trying to get across.
  • 1 0
 Id definitely want to test ride a 650b all mountain bike like that new norco prototype. For different types of riding theres going to be different tire widths and different wheels sizes. 29 doesn't work too well for dh and 26 in some situations, not all isnt the best for xc. Its all about trying different bikes, not reading about them on the internet and arguing. Personal preference comes into play and location of where you ride does too.
  • 1 0
 i am one of a small group of riders that has had a chance to ride both 29er and 26". i must say i brought a 26 stumpjumper evo in the end, i didnt like how the 29er felt and before anyone says it, i did give it a good go, 4 months on a £3200 specialized epic 29er and i dont like how it seem all the big names in biking are forcing every one into it, 26 is so much nicer if you like throwing the bike around plus lifting the front end up on a 26 is easier, but the most important thing i can say to anyone to go faster is to get out and ride, i work with someone who likes doing ironmans and he has a 29er full carbon xtr bike but he doesn't get out in the mud and i always kick his ass lol
  • 2 0
 I can respect that opinion about the 29ers because at least you've tried them out.
  • 1 0
 Need to print this out and distribute it to the rich ass posers we see on the trails. They got all the $$$ coming out of their bodily orifices (that's a metaphor for them being filthy rich - i wasn't being literal) but they'd rather ride their frikin' expensive 29ers on the road. Let's just ride man. Stop braggin' about what you got and SHOW ME WHAT YOU GOT!!! ... Sorry just had to rant. Big Grin
  • 3 0
 Oh man, I was getting excited because of all that bodily orifice talk...then you said you weren't being literal. What a tease.
  • 1 0
 So sorry to let you down man. HAHAHA. Razz
  • 1 0
 I have always been a go hard 26 inch rider, but last year I rode a rumblefish and it surprised me. It is very stable but not very quick maneuvering wise. I think they are fun for xc but when it comes to going semi-big, 26 inch wheels are where it's at!
  • 3 0
 I ride what feels good to ME. If what works for me doesn't for you, buy a different bike. Simple as that.
  • 2 0
 couldn't have said it better
  • 3 0
 in the time it took me to ride this article i could have been riding my bike....
  • 1 0
 I need to go riding. I have not once road my mtb this year. I commuted to work for awhile earlier in the year but thats it. Other then that l have not got up from the sofa. Oh well this year wasnt meant to be l guess. )=
  • 2 0
 I think you need go to moab, sir.
  • 1 1
 For me it's not even 26 vs. 29 anymore, it's seeing guys on full suss 29er's not so much actually riding a trail as rolling over it , as if , in their ideal world, they would love to put wheels on their cushy lazy-boy's/couches. It's like being a traveler vs. being a tourist - a full suss 29er is a tourist's bike, and i can't help thinking it's either more appropriate for the geriatric or the skill-less.
  • 2 0
 really? Guess you haven't seen or ridden with riders that rip 29er full suspension.........you're falling right in line with what the article is complaining about...........just ride..........who cares if someone has a 10K FS and just rides it on the road........does that make what you or your friends do any less fun?
  • 1 0
 you're right dude, but in my world (and i guess it comes from being a multi-sport boarder/ surfer, etc.) ) there are "posers" - and so long as the "posers" who'd spend 10k on a mountain bike and never take it off road don't go around calling themselves "mountain bikers" then i don't give a flip what they do with their bike, but make no mistake- posers drive prices up for the rest of us.
  • 2 0
 Not true, we need the posers to spend the big bucks on the expensive parts! If all the posers go out and buy the newest xtr, xx components etc then the manufacturers make enough money to incorporate those features into the lower end kit. Think of ice tech brakes, if no one bought the xtr ones we wouldn't have the xt or slx ones now! So we need the posers, even if they annoy us, we need them!
  • 2 0
 Posers do not drive prices up, they drive them down..........the cost to design and then bring a bicycle to production, especially carbon is enormous, and the more they sell the more they can bring the price down.
  • 1 1
 Article is market-pep talk. 29 don't sell well at all - corps deplete and don't restock. Big industry wide blunder. 29 looks ridiculous and tech is weaker than 26 and they weigh proportionally more. And stop wearing Lycra - you guys all look like Borat.
  • 1 0
 So damn true hell go ride some outdated components if they work for you kick the tech weiners ass on em and laugh at those who get carried away with the fashion show
  • 1 0
 I test rode both when I bought my full sus XC bike. Went 26". Test rode a single speed 29er (hardtail obviously) a few weeks ago and it was all I could do to not buy it.
  • 3 0
 Pick your poison, I say.
  • 3 0
 I farted.
  • 1 0
 technically speaking... just go ride... let your riding do the talking... not your ride
  • 2 0
 its not what or where you ride that matters its how you ride it!!
  • 1 0
 You got it alazamanza!
  • 1 0
 Just ride your bike and be happy.
  • 1 0
 AMEN!!!! Mathew great write up and Great comment hell slayer !!!!
  • 1 0
 Amen
  • 1 4
 Skateboarding is so simple they don't have these debates, and the kids aren't as smart because of it and they turn into troublemakers for society. What's important? You decide.
  • 3 0
 Wtf is wrong with you!?
  • 6 7
 Well said. 29er in my future. And a bike park pass is not.
  • 1 4
 Amen.







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