No knock on Brandon. Just on PB for the "best ever" crap. Perhaps they're trolling us into a bickering war. Best ever? Come on. Was Rheeders run at Rotorua any less dialed or amazing? How about just "Semenuk's winning run in slomo"? Sh*t we haven't even stopped arguing about Gwin's run being the best or not.
I remember my BMX riding mates used to take the right piss out of me riding a MTB on dirt jumps, saying that nobody would ever be able to jump a 26 incher anywhere near as well BMX riders do. Well....allow me to present the compelling case of Mr. Semenuk
What a day we had yesterday, we were riding dh and watching the slope finals on the phone on the lift in between runs. We timed a run to get the bottom and watch Brandon's run, spectacular.
I do think he is capable of more, and almost 'played this safe' because he could gauge what was needed and reacted to it in order to get a solid run on the board. If Rheeder would have nailed his first run we probably would have seen an even more incredible run out of Brandon. Just my opinion, glad to see him win.
Yeah, but that run would have broken the universe. And the other riders would have to wait until Semenuk retires from slopestyle before they can even dream about winning joyride.
If Rheeder had upped the ante, Semenuk would have done a run so dense, that it would have created a new universe inside our atmosphere, proving today's science irrelevant and moo(Joey Tribbiani,Friends). A cashroll double bar would have been present I am quite sure and that alone would have automatically put his competitors on their knees, chanting his name, forever glorifying him as the one and only, the Poobah of the styles, like miles and sh!t, 360 double truck, back flip can drop in! Even though there have been naysayers over the years, questioning the might of his fist, the steadiness of his hand and wit, he has never fought a battle against his opponents, rather one against himself, for only he himself can truly recognized as a rival worthy to beat! I congratulate you, Sir Semenuk, destroyer of minds, ruler of all steeze!
If Rogatkin had done anything harder than a straight backflip off the final step down. The debate would be on, but that is the standout difference imo.
@mckrider I felt the same. Flip whip final stepdown and some oppo combo insted one of many of his tailwhip and he would be around Semenuk score. But we must remember that Brandon still didn't show all his combos
rogatkin lacks style. Sure he has all kinds of crazy tricks, but he just looks like he's chucking his meat around when he does them. No style or flow. If that changes, then he is going to start winning more.
style only matters so much. if one riders has better tricks/straight up skills then they should win. not saying that anyone was better than semenuk yesterday, but i'd rather see any rider do something they've never done before instead of seeing more "style"
If Rogatkin loses all that body armor and pads, and adds a visor to his helmet, he'll look more stylish in the air. But props to him for riding "safe".
@philipmcm Form, style and smoothness of landing counts in every judged sport in the world. Of course it's fun to see a gnarly trick that nobody does. That's why there's videos and there's contests!
rogatkin practises tricks until he lands them safe, semenuk until he thinks they look better than anybody else's. oh and apparently until he can do them on any terrain and any bike... I'm glad he took the win. nobody deserves it more imo...
Semenuk's run was clearly better, but give the kid a little credit (isn't he the youngest rider there?), he is one of the few on a hardtail (harsher landing) and he did do a lot of hard tricks that not many others are willing to do in a contest (Difficulty is part of the judging is it not?). Im not a die hard Rogatkin fan, but people on here really love to hate on him. Also just a thought, but how do you do a stylish triple whip? Has anyone seen one? Some people go for big tricks, some for style, Semenuk clearly has both, which is why he won, but no need to rag on the kid he sends it.
almost no one in the world can cork 720 straight into cashroll (including mr. Semenuk), I don't care if you nerds think he doesn't have style doing it... that's pretty stylish in my book
Basically you just inadvertantly started a tally of the kooks who think style is more important than their lives. Keep on neg propping you morons. Steeze can wear body armor...shredders know that. Neg propping Kooks...
We see this argument on every slopestyle page, I firmly believe style is an expression, not all style are the same, rogatkins style is clean and precise, its that simple, he has bags of style, just a different style to semenuk
Now imagine that Brandon has tricks like corked flat drop backflip or flipwhip to barspin,backflip double barspin to tuck no hander or 720 barspin in his sleeve,and if this was the best slopestyle run ever and every year the level of riding goes higher and higher,then I predict that in the future this run would be beaten-by Brandon himself !
Its a decade if you dont kick the bike around, just do a 360 holding the bars and bike staying straight. If you kick the bike around then its a downside whip.
Yeah, subtly different tricks. You can usually tell the difference by how the frame moves, or rather doesn't move in the case of a decade air. Here's a double decade air: www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5bN4ci66k Notice how the frame remains straight and only his body spins above the bike. Contrast that with the 360 downside tailwhip in Brandon's run, and notice how he actually does a tailwhip while spinning around.
@hirvi@dlxah you guys are so funny) decade and 360 downside opo whip can be called as one trick,cause of one fact-in a huge air (not a hop decade or something like that) if u dont kick frame to opo whip and just do straight decade, when u catch pedals, u overrotate and crash But in fact of this, u can do straight double decade,decade to 360,360 to decade.But u cant see any riders do decade on a real jump with normal airtime.
I said it last year and I'll say it again, that last trick off the whale tail wasn't a cork 720 it was in fact a 360 backflip. They're very similar having the same degrees of rotation and the only difference being a 3-flip having the rider rotate 360 degrees on each of two axises simultaneously instead of having the entire 720 degrees rotated on one corked axis. This is why he was able to perform this trick so quickly compared to the earlier more drawn-out cork 720.
I think the first cork 720 was drawn out and awkward looking because he was mentally getting ready to throw a barspin into it on his second run. You can see him kind of straighten out his arms towards the end and make room. I think he was going for a normal cork 720 off the whale tail but because of the step down and take-off speed he spun it all crazy fast and it looked like a backflip 360. Just nerd theorizing here.
I'm confused? Seminucks insane history breaking run of all time gets a measly 9.3? Rotgatkin was far better than 9? How do we fix this huge problem, it's worse than figure skating? Wait for it..... Norbs got robbed too! This is why I LOVE WC DH, just teh clock, Rob and Claudio telling it straight up.
Hmmm, I think the third trick was an extremely corked 360 double-tail whip. If you ignore the tailwhip, you'll see that he never does a flip - his head/shoulders never goes lower than his hips. And no, I'm not trying to diminish this trick, I'm just saying it was called wrong and the description above hasn't been corrected to what it really should have been. And it would have been hard to call at the time because Semenuk was just a whirl of body and bike.
It's true, I'm sure he's not going to argue it either as the flip double would score higher! Rheeder's that he crashed on looked like an honest flip double-whip.
do you guys realize that Rogatkin threw away his first SAFE run and had to repeat his SAFE run to get a decent score? If only he completed his first run, we could see what he's really got. And looking at his edits he's got a lot!
Incredible! Semenuk is the man.
Shame that a great deal of the run was obscured by the chairlifts or the run itself. For such such a big event like this surely the camera angles would be sorted by now so that we could enjoy a moment like this in all its glory. Very poor on that front, but not wanting to detract from such riding brilliance.
Really, So I guess there is a lot to say about how the pros do it, Like "if only Rogatkin has visor" or something related to that? But in reality is that you can't even pressure yourself and level yourself to these guys.
Brandon is totally awesome and he is my hero since I saw him in NWD movies, but...but...but...two 7 corks in one run is too much :/ He should replece one of those with...I don't know maybe duble flip or combo frontflip with barspin
...so overall he didn't have a better run. I agree that the triple whip, cashroll etc were off the chain and he might have been up there if he had done something bigger off the last hit, but he didn't and these days you have to do something amazing on every feature. Maybe next year we will see him lift the big cheque?
Part of the difficulty of Slopestyle vs. a straight DJ booter contest is the diversity of the features. People getting creative on the whale tail or the boner log are the reason we don't just have a bunch of trick jumps in a row. The bangers are insane, but having them linked together with tough tricks on all the weird obstacles takes serious consistency and creativity. That aspect is rewarded.
its more than just how many tricks, its how the trick is executed, how well it was landed, style in the trick. all that other stuff as well as how good the trick was
Its not necessarily a debate on wether its "better than this etc" but its more on execution, flow and cleanliness of the trick and also the feature it was done on.
I don't use this word much but "EPIC" comes to mind.
I congratulate you, Sir Semenuk, destroyer of minds, ruler of all steeze!
Really Pinkbike?