Random Products Part One - Interbike 2012

 you sir can go dig a hole and kill yourself and then bury yourself in it

 Ford is the way to go man it got truck of the year last year and outdid every truck i hope your not pullin for gmc or toyota

 Its my favourite truck decked out with my favourite brands, pinch me.

 One big beef with ford is if they go to he aluminum frame like they did with their mustang. It may be light and strong which is good, but when they use steel hardware it all corrodes together and never moves again. Dumb idea. I have other complaints but I won't whine about them here

 Im rockin an 87 f150 and its runnin strong, its got the usual wear,and tear but very little rust, greatest truck ever, I love it!

 As fun as they are, I seriously doubt that we'll be seeing Raptors htting 300K... It's stilla Ford under there... Dodge's "play truck" is far ore interesting to me (and the Power Wagon is a vasty more usefull "truck" then the Raptor), but not as well sorted and put together as what FORD has done (the "play truck" not the PW... that thing is WELL engineered and then some).
We need more HD Toyota Land-cruisers in the US (70-ser, HDJ105's and 80's etc) and more small DIESEL Pickups, not more "toy" trucks with stupid graphics and horrible millage IMO... For less then half the price of a new Raptor you could build a Toyota P/U (or an old XJ Cherokee) into something that would SMOKE the Raptor...And keep smoking it long after the Raptor has run out of gas.
On the "alu frame" issue... It may be light and strong yes, but it won't LAST LONG... besides the galvanization (like what plauge's all old series Rovers) its also a metal that breaks and fails before having any energy absorbing flex. It's why IMO Alu HTs are simply stupid unless you;re racing, and the same for automobiles... Race rigs of any kind are kinf of "disposable" vehicles that are built to be easily repairable (alghough I'm hearing some pretty bad horror stories about reparing the Raptors that customers have taken out and ragged on) but things are GONNA break when you;re racing so yeah, an Aluminum frame with a sectional build would be great.

Keep in mind I'm talking about TRUCKS... passenger cars can and SHOULD use aluminum as they're not put into the same kind of duty cycles that trucks are nor driven over the same destructive terrain (although to be fair, 90% of all the 4x4 drivers in the US are "mall crawlers" or insecure contractors in lifted trucks for NO REASON so maybe it won't be so bad )...

 Oh and IF Toyota released a true 25-3500 DIESEL truck in the US it would KILL Ford GM nd Dodge put together... Ford may have won "truck of the year" in one magazine, but considering the absolute GARBAGE they've been putting since they stoped producing the 7.3L (same with GM) they can't exactly be held up on a pedestal as some "amazing truck maker"... The 6.0L Power Strokes while ROCKET SHIPS in HD truck duds were ticking time bombs.

In the US HD Truck market it's Cummins/Dodge or is a Car made to look like a truck (actually I really like the looks of the prevuis gen Super-duty's, but now that they're "bling'd out" with chrome everywhere they look rediculous and the interoirs are just an example of how people buy trucks for IMAGE in the US, not WORK)... Toyota has also been on every single JD power and Consumer reports etc.'s TOP truck for the last how many years??? The Tundra may not have the towing capacity but the rear diff alone is VASTLY stronger then any Domestic 1-tons (aside from Dodge's AAM axles...Ford put that TURD of a thing the D50 in the front of the SD's... SO lame, so weak, so stupid, it's not like there was any eason NOT to use the D60) so... IF the government ever lets foreign Diesel trucks in it's "lights out tony" for the Domestics (except Cummins) as they're just a far better built truck and they have the whole world to prove it. My 89 4Runner has 315K on the clock and the frame under neath it is as big as a Domestic 1/2 ton and some 1-tons... It's slow as molases, but it's beefier then catle Toyota (and Nissan to a lesser extent) with the OLD Patrols) are the best 4wd's and trucks on the plannet.(oh and NON-US G-wagens/Unimogs) too Go google "blown up landcruiser" and tell me you think a Domestic truck could do that... maybe an old 80's K5 Blazer, Ramcharger or Bronco, but not the new crap. Don' even get me started about "eco-boost" ... that is just plain ficticous advertising on Fords part....

 I love how you guys are all just whining about trucks on this page about bike parts. Scroll down for any important feedback.

 I think something we can all agree on is how much we would all love to rally the shit out of that Polaris in front of the Raptor

 the rzr is very cool. Very touchy throttle, but who cares when you keep it mashed to the floor most of the time. Gotta say, it would be pretty scary doing 65 mph in that thing.

 @schy: if you don't care to read our comments about trucks, feel free to exercise your tight to "scroll on down"... Raptors like mountain bikes are toys and we ALL clearly love toys ... so we're talking about toys, what does it hurt??? This is Pinkbike, what did you expect???

@shredstatus: a BIG +1 mate...

YES, I would LOVE to get in one of those "side by sides" aye. I've had guys out running trail with me in my Toyota and then THEY get to head out to the dunes and rip around (an old 4runner built for trails with a 22E pushing around 33x10.5's doesn't do all to well in the sand as it turns out... it get's around fine, but I'm not really having the fun that the guys in the Raptors or Camburg Tundra's are aye ).... They are truly really cool inventions (or rather re-purposing's of old inventions ) Petersens did an article on one a while back (of all the off-road toys I own or get to play with Side-by-sides are one I've hardly scratched the surface with) and it seemed like a REALLY slick little toy aye. PLus you can use them around the property to get around aye... Any body feel that one specific make is head-and-shoulders above the rest??? I know I love Kubotas (got 2 of them ) and I'd be stoked to see them get into the Rec. arena, but I'v always been a Yamaha guy when it came to MX's... I've heard a TON of great stuff about Polaris though. Lockers and a light little chasis with enough snort to lay in the dunes and then some??? YES PLEASE!!!!

 Honestly I just feel dumb cause I don't know all these truck words haha.

 HAHAHAHAHAHA... Naw, it is CONFUSING... All the makes and models and variations of those makes and models alone can be a total head-screw aye. Add into it the barage of advertisig and it can e REAL hard to tell what from what... I just happen to be a "car nerd" kind of like we're all "bike nerds"... I spend so much time driving (ugh... I don't wan to live in the city, but it'd be NICE not to have to drive so much aye) and I've owned a bunch of "cult vehices" (like m Mopar muscle cars, Water-cooled VW's and various 4wd's) and when tey break down on you in the field just like bikes.

 Agree with medic. My 02 2500 cummins is going strong. Drivetrain is bullit proof, the truck itself has it's quirks but I don't really care, I use it for fun and work. Saw a teaser shot a while back of a 1 ton tundra dually with a CAT Diesel, thing was sweet. As for half ton diesel trucks, I'm done being excited, the big three have been waving protos and ideas in our faces for the last few years now, promising this and that, I'll believe it when it happens. Which is a shame, I'd love a half ton cummins truck.

 Okay, I'm a European and you might tell me to go to hell but i would take Toyota Hilux before any Ford or Dodge...

 @Syl4R... I'm with you mate. When you see what the rest of the world can get done with a HZJ75 Landcruiser "Ute" or Troupy... The Toyota Jillux is the WORLDS most popular truck and for good reason, they're bulletproof. I just wish I could get a DIESEL (1KZ-TE, D4D or any of the bigger cruiser motors like the 1HZ-T or the newer V8 Turbo-diesel ) Toyota truck here in the States, but alas, the US Auto industry has made that all but impossible cause they know that they'd loose half their sales in the first year. My dream rig (which I can now start importing legaly...and am REALLY thinking about doing) is a a 1HD-T (I-6 Turbo diesel) powered HDJ-75 Troupy with an H55 Manual tranny -NO AUTO BOXES- (or maybe a UTE like the one I had in OZ, see my photo albums) with factory lockers F/R and some nice tall 36x9" "farm tires" aye That would be IT for me. Then I could keep the Hilux Surf I have for a "play truck"...

 gopro have the one button on/record mode too.

 wrong...turn on power...check led that it is ON. then hit record and lift up the camera so you can tell it is ACTUALLY RECORDING. yup..i own gopros for 6 years ..ya can tell me shit about them

 Actually. Turn swtich on.......................................wind noise.

 @mamon, since you know it all, you can't learn much anymore, enjoy your contour.

 There are probably some fans of tld, but I personally think it looks like garbage.

 Maybe it's the same guys who design the Tapout and Affliction shirts who before that designed the No Fear and Chip and Pepper shirts.

 Not true, look at the SE PRO and SE lines. If you like a quiet, blend-in kit TLD isn't for you though.

 I'm not saying their gear sucks, it's probably top-notch. I just find it looks ridiculous, in my opinion but different strokes i guess.

 there is a difference between loud colors and streamlined vs loud colors and terrible Nascaresque TLD graphics

 I love the idea of the laser sight. I hate not knowing the exact angle my camera's at. Contour is definitely looking like my next POV camera of choice. Sorry GoPro.

 The chestie mount is the best POV for riding. (in my opinion) Because it shows the bars and gives you an idea of the terrain you're on. Nearly impossible to pull off with a Contour..
Helmet mount is a little more stable, but unless you're following someone it looks like the camera is "magically floating down the trail"..

For video quality and mounting position, I'd recommend the GoPro for cyclists.

 for what its worth, ive never had any issue pointing my gopro. maybe its because ive had it for awhile and know where it should be, but even when i put it on my helmet and cant see it, just feeling the direction it is has served me pretty well. that being said the new contour does look really nice and i may have to try one soon to compare to the gopro.

 I'll still keep my GoPro. It's great! But I just want one of these next, none of them really stood out as much as this one does.

 We're stoked on this new camera with greatly improved video quality and the instant on/record switch! We love mtn bikers and always note your feedback.

 The laser sight on the contour isn't the greatest. Unless your at home pointing it at a wall. But it won't work on the trails. You cannot see it. Just so you know. Other than that the contour is amazing. Really easy to turn on. You can be ripping a trail and forget to turn it on, while your ripping you are able to turn it on with ease. Also the light capture I find to be alot better when dipping in and out of the trees. 2cents.

 I think it's there to set your view before a ride, when you don't have smartphone with you, laser pointing should be helpful

 I can see my laser pointer fine on trials . Like at least 20 feet ahead!

 anyone know the song for the contour vid? sorry...

 Yeah I haven't gotten to enjoy owning a camera like this or the GO-Pro yet (I know, I need to get out from under my rock aye...) but I REALLY think the contour has a better set-up for a LOT of sports then the GO-Pro... Plus you look like less of a wierdo with one on the SIDE of your helmet then having that box n top of your head. Go-Pro makes a great product, but I vastly prefer the packaging and some features of the Contour (the instant on/reord is a GREAT idea, espescially when you're in the heat of the moment and have gloves on aye. Is there any way to hook it to your "smart" phone or something to view it with in the field ??? That is probably the ONE thing I like better abut the Go-Pro.

 doesnt bother me to "look like a wierdo". I just recently took my Go Pro Hero 2 out to an arena and had a bunch of young steer riders wear it on the chest mount for an up close and personal view of what it looks like to participate in one of the most dangerous sports in the world...rodeo. after being trampled, dropped, thrown and generally abused in the worst way...damn gopro is still tickin, believe I'll stick with it.

 I'm not saying the GO-Pro is a bad product, and for some set-ups it may work better, but you gotta admit, when like say Peatey did his run with it n top of his head it looked a bit... i dunno, like a propeller beanie or something??? I know from experience that you don't feel the weight of them up there, I just think that I'd rip ANYTHING off my head that was up like that. It's ike putting your sungasses up on your wide-brimmed hat...then walking under a large branch and "SMACK" no more sunnies The COntour mounting on the side of your helmet I like a bit better although I wonder about having half your face in the panorama??? Desn't seem to be an issue in the vids I've seen but it has to restrict the field of vision if you go truly "wide angle... Do you ride Rodeo man??? I rode cutting comps. and the figure 8 multi-man barrel races when I was living in NE Australia ... lots of fun, but one falll felt like LlITTERALY got kicked by a horse

 I think you've mistaken ginger for another trail. Ginger being harder than hard is a severe understatement.

 The speed readout is cool, I think I would prefer a high quality cam at a cheaper price, and not give away directions to my secret stashes haha. I guess the current GoPro is for me!

 Or just get one of the standard Contours that I am sure will have these features in a few months

 Contour and GoPro footage quality is nearly identical, Contour might even be better, especially in low light. The Gopro promo video is one of the best, but it's so produced that you aren't even getting a good idea of what your vid will look like. The ROAM is what I currently use, and definitely favour it to my bro's GoPro. Unless you're using a chesty (which shakes too much anyway on DH trails), the Contour is the cam of choice for me. the bonus of interesting bike mounts is a plus too

 bigdan30. Dude, I call BS that the chesty mount is to shakey. Think perspective wise it is the best mount position. Think the Contour and GoPro are very similar in footage quality. Having just spent 12 days in Whistler with 2 GoPros, 1 Contour and the Goggle Camera (forget the name) hard to tell the difference between the 2 really..

The goggle camera is great, it is snug and not an added extra really....

 you have to have the straps going around your chest done up quite tight and position the camera on your chest so it sits somewhere around or just under your sternum to stop the shaking.

 Some of the gopro mounts develop play in the quick release which blurs the footage and adds annoying noise. a piece of cloth in there will take the play out.

 The white rubber clip you get in the box with the GoPro is designed to reduce the movement between the mounting plate and the camera- It holds the clasp open so it can't move around so much.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcqhw27rx58

 Thanks Gavlaa!

 I've used the chesty and I find on many downhill trails, it doesn't look nearly as smooth as a helmet cam where your neck adds a significant amount of suspension. I will agree that perspective wise, the chesty is the best (though I would like to try a long pole off the back of the seat post for a 3rd person view behind the bike like a video game), but I just find for my trails in particular, it just doesn't give a clear shot. but that's just my experience; I prefer my contour.

 Yeah I rode Bootleg last year at the outdoor demo and that is some gnarly terrain...pretty much just a fast steap rock trail with sub par consequences if you go down. The lower half is a little more tame...but that upper half, watch out.

 +1... Bootleg is a REALLY gnarly, tire-cutting nightmare sometimes... I'm pretty surprised there haven't been any deaths or major Para/quad injuries there in the DH races they run... talk about PUCKER factor, it's like falling on a bed of sandpaper-covered knives in some places

 Yea, what I was specifically talking about was the all mountain route on that sign board, which was the beginner/intermediate DH race course when I was there, unless it's not. but it does match up with where i remember it being.

 I don't know the area well enough... I've gotten to ride there a few times, but not nearly enough. I kind of remember the "cliff" youre probably refering to though aye. It's a SUPER fun place to ride, but it is... um, CONSEQUENTIAL to say the least aye.

 Nah, Bootleg Canyon in Kazakhstan.

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