Video: Dartmoor Gravity Hardtails - Hornet vs Primal

Nov 5, 2014
by Dartmoor-Bikes  
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The Story

The first mountain bike ever was a hardtail. It had a rigid fork, few gears and let you explore the places which were not available for the bikes so far. It took a bit of commitment and explorers sense to feel the new adventure of riding a bike. The market has grown quite fast since then, it has brought us loads of technical improvements like: suspended forks and frames, from simple constructions to complicated systems of transferring leg power into the wheels without losing a single Watt of it. We also had a multi chamber dampers with limitless adjusting options. Overall it is still growing with hundreds of patents which allow you to ride faster and more comfortable to make your bike look better, and make you feel better.

But is there anything left from the basic idea behind the mountain bike as a tool for chasing an unexplored path? Do we still have a time just to enjoy the ride?

We believe there are many of you guys out there looking for the feeling of freedom and facing your own weaknesses. For those it is not about being first, not about the comfort zone, but each single bike trip is simply an adventure and first of all still a journey. Those guys choose a hardtail bike not because of the limited budget, but because it is way lighter and gives you more technical skills. No rear suspension also makes you feel the trail and contact with nature.

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

Having fun with Hardtails


Dartmoor Hardtails

Dartmoor Bikes story is pretty similar to mountain bikes chronicles in general. The journey started with a freeride hardtail - Hornet which is very popular around the world, which was later developed into his younger brother - Primal. Both of them are designed to meet the riders demands for all kinds of all mountain riding. From cross country biking to hard freeriding. You can meet Primal and Hornet riders on wild mountain trails, enduro courses, freeride jumping spots and technical downhill courses.

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

Primal explorers


Primal - Your way to explore

Primal is a frame prepared for those who prefer all terrain mountain riding than jumping. Doesn't matter if it is a hard singletrack, rock downhill or a dirt uphill - this bike will handle all of it. And when it is not possible to ride it is light enough to grab it and take to a rideable places on your back. Designed for both 26 and 27.5 inch wheels and 120-140mm forks it is the most versatile frame in Dartmoor product line.

Primal is available in 16", 17" and 18" size and few color options. We also offer a special Primal 29 version in 17" and 19" made for 29 inch wheels.

Dartmoor Primal 2015 frames

Dartmoor Primal 2015 frames collection


For 2015 season we also offer 2 complete bikes based on this versatile frame - Primal Pro and Primal Basic. Pro version is an option for more aggressive style, made on Marzocchi 350R 140mm travel fork. This one is for the riders who know what mountain riding is about, where you can't be sure what your trail is going to look like behind the next hill. The frame and the fork are both available in outstanding Red Devil finish.

Dartmoor Primal 2015 Pro - Red Devil Finish

Dartmoor Primal Pro 2015 complete in Red Devil finish


Primal bike in Basic version is for mountain amateurs who'd like to feel it but in the less demanding terrains. This bike comes with the same geometry but different gear specifications.

Dartmoor Primal 2015 Basic - Petrol Finish

Dartmoor Primal 2015 complete in Petrol finish


 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

Testing grounds in Croatia


Hornet - Ride hard, play harder

For those who jump the dirt and hit the drops, those who think this is what riding a bike is all about because pedaling up the hill is not what tigers like the most. Hornet is a perfect frame for those who want to push the limits and test their technical skills and self confidence while riding the places where downhill racers ask themselves if it is worth to try. It is basically a massive, unbreakable hardtail you can always count on.

Hornet is available in 16" and 18" sizes and dedicated to work with 140-170 mm forks. It was designed to ride 27.5" wheels but you can also use 26" classics.

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

Remek Oleszkiewicz hitting some urban freeride with his Hornet


 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

With Hornet on a way down


Dartmoor Hornet 2015 frames

Dartmoor Hornet 2015 frame


Hornet vs Primal

Both frames have a lot in common and many differences as well. The basic question you should ask yourself while making this choice is - where you ride, what distance you'd like to go and which riding style is your favorite. If you're more into long uphills and exploring the trails than jumps and drops you should definitely check the proper Primal size frame for you. If you prefer high speed or huge gaps, and simple pedaling is not your way to ride - Hornet is a proper choice for you.

Primal and Hornet frames - geo comparison

Hornet vs Primal - geometry comparison


Looking through the angles you may notice that for a Hornet with a 160mm fork and Primal with 120-140mm riders position is pretty similar. Main difference between will be the fork angle which is - 65.5 degree for Hornet with 160mm fork, 67 degree for Primal with 140mm fork and 68 degree for Primal with 120mm travel fork. Hornets have the higher bottom bracket position which gives more possibilities in harder conditions.

Hornet and Primal frames geometry

Dartmoor Primal and Hornet frame fitting

Dartmoor Hornet 2015 frames

Dartmoor Hornet 2015 - full product line


No matter what your final choice will be don't forget that mountain biking is about exploring the world close to the nature, not about focusing on the parts or the brands you ride, so #RideYourWay

From the snowy peaks to sunny seaside with Primals:

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

And the same way down on a Hornet:

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

 RideYourWay video series from Dartmoor Bikes this time with Remek Oleszkiewicz and his friend Aleksander Wieczorkiewicz riding Primals and Hornet 2014

Video by: ASF Studio
Music by: Fin de ano - Huerta Grande
Photos by: Kuba Konwent and Adam Klimek

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89 Comments

  • 13 1
 Proud owner of Primal 27.5. Amazing hardtail. Rode it on our local enduro race, had so much fun. Dartmoor really nailed the geo, low bb, snappy on the corners. Great fun bike!
  • 8 1
 Don't forget affordable!
  • 5 1
 @jozhua130 yeah, that too. That's the main reason i settled for dartmoor. Haha. We can enjoy all mountain ht without hurting our pockets. Ride on.
  • 5 1
 I love my 2012 Hornet in red. Just a super solid and well handling machine for a bonkers cheap price. Still one of my favorite bikes.
  • 2 1
 Here's my primal by the way.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/11611632
  • 2 2
 I've always wanted a wish be it the old or enduro version. But i never got to the other side of the fence because there simply no reviews of the bike.i ended up getting a pristine moto carbon for my rig.
  • 2 1
 Super appealing visually and from a riding standpoint. A return to the hardtail beckons...
  • 1 0
 www.pinkbike.com/photo/11354570
Used to have one, cornered like a beast!
  • 1 0
 yea the Primal is a real beast! If You're looking for a great price with free headset get over to : biketopia.pl/rama-dartmoor-primal.html
  • 8 0
 just built up my new Primal, she's a beaut.

i thought it looked like the perfect bike for exploring new trails... having now seen this article, i guess that was the point.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/11596152
  • 8 2
 Nice bikes, extensive info and good vibe overall. Hardtails are fun Smile

@dart-bikes Do you need someone to translate or at least correct your marketing materials? It's a serious offer, not making fun of the mistakes in your article at all. Having a proper interpreter translate for you instead of a secretary who "had English in secondary school" might allow your message to come across much better.
  • 5 0
 I'm owner of Primal. And I'm satisfied. For me is main reason to get rigid frame simplicity of this concept.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/11157832
  • 1 0
 the handlebar setup and 3piece cranks are givin me flashbacks to 2001
  • 2 0
 I am 100 kg man Smile so CrMo BMX cranks are necessary. Shifting is GripShift 600 from 1996 Smile still work fine.It is came from my first MTB therefore it is like a talisman for me.
  • 1 0
 dont get me wrong, i think it looks like a fun setup! (though i could never for the life of me get along with grip shift back in the day)
  • 6 1
 Amazing Bikes! They both look superb for Mountain Fun! Awesome Video and excellent information on each bike! RideOn!
  • 2 0
 Hard to go wrong with a hornet. I've ridden everything from enduro races to a four day epic xc from one side of the country to the other, couldn't ask for more. Awesome frame.
  • 2 1
 After feeling nostalgic about my early days riding a steel HT I built up a new, modern bike complete with 27.5.
Sure, it's a nice bike, rides well, but my fascination and revisit has run it's course.
Anyone want to buy my Kona Explosif frame??? Smile
  • 2 1
 Dartmoor dropped the ball on the 29er's chainstay length. 437mm? I'm surprised with Dartmoor's aggressive brand they didn't aim for 420mm chainstays like the Honzo, Yelli, Quarterhorse, etc.
  • 3 2
 I thought the hornet was their 4X 26" race frame - seen a few guys racing this year on the same colourway as the red hornet shown in the pictures. Has it just gone through a 650b geometry tweak?
  • 2 0
 They also have a hornet 4x frame.
  • 6 3
 "The first mountain bike ever was a hardtail. It had a rigid fork"

so a rigid bike then not a hardtail
  • 2 2
 what kind of frame does a rigid bike use?
  • 4 0
 Love Dartmoor

here's my 2014 Hornet

www.pinkbike.com/photo/11547763
  • 1 0
 I have a Kona Honzo and a really well designed hardtail is a ton of fun to own. You'll make yourself a better rider and have plenty of money still in the bank to afford riding your bike.....
  • 2 1
 This begs the question... Does one buy an awesome specced hardtail or a bottom of the range full squish for the same price?.... Just a thought
  • 2 0
 If you buy the awesome specced frame you can uprgade the frame latter, if they don't change every "standards" again.
If you buy the fully, and if it's a good frame, you can upgrade later every parts. Dilemma.

but before upgrading it, the hardtail will work better, no shock is better than a shitty one. And often a hardtail is more versatile. (like you can dirt jump on a hornet, but not with many fully).

I'd go with the hardtail now, but same question in 10 years and I'd take the more comfortable fully.
  • 1 0
 37 here
Just rediscovered hardtail (steel tho) a few months ago, hasn't touched my 2 fullys since. Fun.
These look pretty btw.
  • 1 0
 I bought a steel hardtail in 2011. It had 26" wheels, 20mm front axle, 135mm rear, 9 speed drivetrain, non-tapered head tube, etc. and I figured I might upgrade the frame in a couple years . . . fast forward to 2013 and everything is going to 27.5 wheels, 15mm front 142x12 rear, 10 speed, tapered head tube, etc.

2014 I sold the (whole thing) hardtail and bought a full suspension.
  • 7 4
 If you're going to ride a hardtail at least spring for a steel frame.
  • 5 1
 At the pricetag of a hornet, I really don't care if it's steel or not. Good geo, cheap, if it's reliable it's near perfect. But yeah, steel is magic for this kind of bikes.
  • 1 0
 Great frame. Im owner of Primal 29 and it's good both in downhills and uphills.
My bike: www.pinkbike.com/u/gonzalito/album/Dartmoor-Primal-29
  • 2 0
 awesome video, bikes and location Big Grin

love the hornet, here's mine
www.pinkbike.com/photo/11306997
  • 1 0
 The more technical and steeper it gets, the more fun you'll have on such a hardtail.
I ride my 456C way more than my sus-bikes. Smile
  • 1 0
 Bah, another brand not available in the US Frown Bummer, seems like all the hardtails I get really excited about aren't available in the US any longer (VooDoo, Dartmoor, etc)
  • 4 2
 Those frames look mint! *grabs credit card*
  • 7 0
 They forgot to add that these are one of the most afforadble bikes in the market, here you can get new hornet/primal frame for 200€!
  • 2 0
 200€? New? That's amazing.
  • 1 0
 Took me 1min to get u price for UK link
  • 2 0
 Awesome video and cool bikes, just can't figure out where this was filmed!
  • 1 0
 Šibenik.
  • 2 0
 wow?! I have been every summer in Šibenik for the past 28 years and I can not recognize not a single thing from the video...or the trial Smile
  • 1 0
 The shot under the bridge is the view back towards Šibenik from the Jadranska Magistrala. I'm guessing the trails are in the same area, never taken my bike to Croatia!
  • 2 0
 Stenimire,

Sve je snimljeno u Makarskoj,iznad Tučepi,Podgore prema Vošcu(Biokovo) i dio od Velikog Brda prema Brelima i to negdi početkom ožujka.

Pozdrav Nenad
  • 1 0
 Pozdrav Nenad,

hvala, još mi bilo čudno kak je ovo Šibenik, nikako ne izgleda kao Šibenik Smile I još di ima takvo brdo da napada snijega...izgleda odlično!
  • 1 0
 So the View is of Rijeka? I was sure it was Šibenik! Opps!
  • 2 0
 Gav-B, it's Makarska, not Rijeka.
  • 1 0
 Thanks! I really need to get over there with a bike...
  • 1 0
 If my current enduro-ish frame breaks, I'm getting the Primal(26) for sure!
  • 1 0
 hi all im looking to buy a Dartmoor Hornet but i like to no if it be good on a downhill track ???
  • 1 0
 I ride a Hornet4X witha Durolux up front. Anybody try putting a 27.5 up front?
  • 1 1
 A question to dartmoor if they are reading this though, any new fully models for the upcoming year?
  • 1 1
 Jason Javier of gravity workz is the distributor, as of now, he already posted the prices for the frames. Still no date for the arrivals.
  • 1 0
 How do I get one of these in the US?
  • 1 1
 get a honzo
  • 1 0
 Won't go well with my 26" wheels.
  • 1 0
 Good work @dart-bikes. I am waiting for buy Primal!
  • 1 0
 Edit: didn't click reply. See above.
  • 1 0
 does the hornet work better with 26 inch or 650b wheels?
  • 3 3
 Let me know when they're made in Steel, then I'll get a Hornet.
  • 2 4
 i dont think youll be comfortable hitting up the bike track with this bike, maybe cruising around town and hitting some local trails...
  • 1 0
 I love my Dartmoor! Smile
  • 1 0
 What are the forks?
  • 4 7
 BTR The best gravity hardtails you ever need.
  • 3 2
 You know its best for the market to have a little more competition you know?
  • 2 1
 You know it's a BFe Chappers! Wink
  • 2 0
 You might have a point ;-)
  • 2 1
 I actually head those have super flexy chainstays. Causing even non-fat tyres to rub the stays when you're riding a hill sideways.

Dartmoor is a super reputable company and sells this frame for nearly half price (!!!) compared to the BFe.

Doesn't matter how much you love your frame, I don't think you can get anything better for this price, or anything with a better price/quality ratio, than these Dartmoor frames.
  • 1 1
 Mattin, the flexy chainstays is bollocks. It's a silly myth that gets applied to any steel frame by people who have never ridden them and don't know any better.

There is a reason the Dartmoor frame is much cheaper, it's to do with the materials used. For those of us who love our steel frames, nothing really comes close.


I agree, at that price point the Dartmoors are fantastic value, but I would prefer to pay the extra for a BFe or a BTR (if I could afford one).
  • 2 0
 Cheers for your reply. Good to hear about the chainstays. The steel vs. Alu is a good point, that attrackts different people since riders are often very specific when it comes to material. And you are also right that they are 2 frames in both different price classes.
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