Interbike 2010 - Marzocchi in 2011 And 2012!

 Agreed

 Bike jewelry i gonna love marzocchi again

 do u have any idea what ur talking about?? stop hating on zocchis man, everyone know they are great..i sold my shitty 2010 boxxer, tested for a while a 40 and ended up now on my new demo 7 with the 888 RC3EVO...trust me, its more then capable of keeping up with a 40...before any of u haters start saying sh*t, go out there and just ride it.....

 by any chance do they make those in BLUE?????

 Yeah, every company might have season or two of worse times, but like it or not... Marzocchi came back bigger and stronger

 every company goes through this so u r quite right!
but 'zocchi is back to it's best, and more importantly zocchi forks are always a more beautiful to look at, boxxers were ugly for me! and now they have sorted most if not all their issues we should start seeing a surge in usage!
i stayed loyal to 'zocchi even in the hard times! now wheres my free fork? green please

 hey oonser, link us to the Pic's or it didn't happen, I think your full of it.....

 hey man, he's worked with A LOT of different coatings.

 lewismc, there is hardly any marzo in the world cups because they aren't the lightest, heavier than rockshox and fox, but they are by far, very far, the most reliable and strongest DH fork on the market. If i have to buy a dh fork, i'll buy Marzo. my boxxer only 4 months old and its already leaking oil, my previous 888 5yrs old with all sorts of scratches on the stanchions and no leak till now and no play at lowers.

 oonser, I hear that MX forks use a DLC-Kashima combo on the outer and inner fork legs.

 marzocchi was good until 2007. the day their production line moved from italy to asia, all their of their products went down the drain. so did their reputation. i am aware the rockshox and fox are both made in asia, but it seems that they've had their production line going for a while and have refined things to a perfection! personally, you would never see me riding a marzocchi.

 ledgend dude thats what im feeling^^

 lewismc, i agree the green stanchion aren't very good looking but i'm sure these are great reliable forks. You are free not to like it dude, some will. Got oil and seals changed already once. 2 months ride and boxxer leaking again.

 personally z-man shut up. everybody knows about aisan production and a rapid drop in standards, but marzocchi have been back on track for a year now already, the 2010 forks kicked ass compared to the old ones, and now they are even better, stop hatin'

 lewismc, yes there are many riders on marzocchis on WC series..take a closer look dude..(hint: chris kovarik and matti lehikoinen!!!!!!!!)

 u know what, i think the green forks especially look the bollox and feck all this arguing behind computer screens! a debate i will happily have, but when dumbass's start preaching as if gospel and fact then go and learn between the definition of opinion and fact.
oh and should u fancy an argument rather than a discussion then i am happy to meet u and talk about this face to face!

oh and in case i forgot SICK FORKS, props to 'ZOCCHI!!!

 the green one is that ugly -.-
but the golden one is beautiful

 DLC would be a better choice in coating than the ti-N But, on a bike different coating are pretty pointless. Looks awesome though

 pperini i said not many i didn't say none, and that was two, again not many. probally the only two who place good as well. go through the top tens forks and have a look at what they use

 jizsplatt, I say instead of meet up we do a big huck, take a photo and whoever does the bigger one wins. A bit better than an argument way cooler too...

 Not hating on Marz here as I have nothing but good experiences with them.I just wanna say,green stations yes,green lowers yes,both together no,it looks like to much to me sorry even two different colors would be better but not together.

 How can you say that their not as smooth as they others when you havn't rid any of them?

 boot-r I never did but maybe you're not replying to me.

 I wonder if the corsa super leggera would handle dirt jumping, cause thats a pretty crazy weight

 you know what marzocchi really needs to do?? step up their rear end. with the evos last year and the new ones this year being as good as they are, they should be able to step up there rear suspension.

 black and gold my favorite lol

 @ evomtb, dont tell me to shut up, i have my opinion! When a company releases a product that is inferior, regardless if they back track and fix their product, it really shows how much marzocchi cares as a company for their quality. what company does a full production line with flawed parts, and still sells it to the public, not only for 1 year, but 2 straight years? A brand i want to have little or nothing to do with. They have lost my trust.
I'm not betting my beans (let alone injury) to a product if there's a company on the market that has had an awesome track record. Like fox.

 I just saw a great advert for new age marzocchi's on the rampage...

 If your refering to the ones james snapped then those arn't the new age marzocchi's.

 Green stantions white lowers? What are they then =S

 touché

 blue stanchions would be an awesome for my commencal......

 to be honnest i han 2010 40s for my 2011 season and now ride an ex crc team bike with the 888 ti forks and to be honnest the marzz are far better than the 40s, and plus it rely dont matter about the coating, its the set up, if your forks are set up right they will perform better than a 1700+ fork that has not been set up right, but there is one downside the the ti coating, it scratches easier than the old 40 stanctions, bummer.

my conclusion is, ride what ever suits you but set your fork up to go fast not be comfortable.

 the 2010 888 evo ti rocks, so i can imagine it will just get better from here on out.

 amen!

 :O blue

 they do the 66 in blue and white and red and black i don't know if they are gonna do the same with the 888 but this ones look amazing!

 Agreed KyleIsaman those are the best I have owned to date!

 Has anyone read the article in Mountain bike action magazine they gave the marzocchi Ti EVO 5*'s out of 5, they say it was one of the best made forks ever. EVER better then rock shox and manitou and fox

 wooden forks would be quite good. lol

 How much wood would a wooden fork work if a wooden fork could be wood... bah sod it ! you know what I mean

 i know what you mean. Good work.

 We havent riden them yet !:P

 During braking with the front brake, Billy's front wheel turned a bit to the right due to the fork flex. So they might be lying somewhere on right sides of trails all over the world

 That would be cool if they made a new inverted fork.

 With all the respect to floating on a cloud feel of USD forks: they look a bit more of a exclusive rarity rather than something bringing some real benefits over regular style fork. They are all over MX but according to rules of evolution: some factor in USD forks in that use must win over stiffness. My guess: steering precision in MX is not as vital as in DH racing (just compare rockgarden vs. MX track).

But well if people ride fixies consciously resigning from freewheel benefits, why can't they ride USD forks.

 I think a little bit of that puzzle may be the fact that MX forks are so much larger than their mountain bike counterparts that- being upside down and not having and arch (which is what really leads to the flex) is a non issue. Bigger trees, bigger stanchions, bigger hub and axle, all lead to a stiffer fork overall.

 im sure youll see something about the Shiver soon

 yeah man it's a shame they dont bring them back , yes they flexed a bit but where they flex others crack and twist , they are uber reliable forks tho I know people who ain't gentle yet they are still working fine with zero services

 it is very easy to say it's a shame they don'y bring them back. Well who wants to ride 9lb fork today? You fit a Boxxer WC with a wheel in that... and 888 2005-2007 could also run serviceless for years, being 2lb lighter...

 If they decided to make a new Shiver, of course it wouldn't be 9lbs. I understand that inverted forks have no real advantage, in all honesty, I just think they look awesome and more aggressive. And bigburd is right, I've seen people who are actually good still riding Shivers, it's gotta be somewhat reliable if they're still around today.

 ///delete**

 Waki, how much do the dorado's weight? If you remember correctly, the older dorados were about on par with the shivers. IE, with new materials and designs, there is no reason they would be 9lbs any more.


Second, I ran my shivers serviceless for many years... and they run like new still. My 888's mush up after a season.


They are more reliable than normal forks. Reason you see 2000 shivers still in use almost 11 years later.

You guys get to into the matter about the USD vs regular fork idea. People who haven't spent enough time on each just don't get it. They ride COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. They track different, they turn different, they dive different, they lead different, they jump differently. There are many things feeling and ride wise that differ btw the 2. Neither can replace the other. Reason I said where are the shivers, and not, "dude you should drop the 888's for shivers". They can both be on the market, and serve their own purposes. You don't need to cut one out just because others don't like them. There are still plenty of people who do like the feeling. I myself am one of em, which is why I regularly switch btw my 888's and shivers. No performance benefit, they just ride differently, which make riding more interesting and fun. Isn't that what it's all about anyways?

People seem to think everything is about "performance". You can only make stuff so efficient, then it's just piddling away money, and gram crunching. How about stuff that LASTS... MANY YEARS and still does so while being a damn good riding fork. I call that a WIN.

 They are avaible on normal colours also.

 Forks, like any other bike part, come down to personal preference, but in all my years riding, I have learnt the hard way, that the parts that get the rave reviews, and community hype, aren't always the best.
Personally I think that Fox SUCK, and Rockshox have some good, and some bad bits.
I can't stand Sram shifting, although I know many that rave about it.
I still run my Hayes mags, where all the cool kids have gone to Avid, Formula or Hope.
Why would I want to change them when they still stop as good as anything else? I don't see the point in 6-pots or V2's when I can still throw myself over the bars with one finger? The true riders out there know that it is all about modulation anyway!
Good Luck Marzocchi, don't let these lil whippersnappers throw you off, there are still those of us who remember your true colours from your true heights.

 Considering the garbage they sold me in the last few years, it is no wonder that I and many others do not care much what they currently offer.
Good to hear something +ve though so tx for the info.
On the other hand:
Did you see Rampage? I only saw one brand of fork snap. More than one example too. And one snapped at a seemingly random moment too. Lucky it did cos if it let go like that on one of the bigger features it could have resulted in a tragedy that might have ended Rampage.
As sponsored riders have no choice what they ride, I hope for their sake Marz fully solves its issues asap.

To those that want the TiN in blue. TiN is yellow. So if you paint it blue you get...green.
So you can't have blue AND TiN, unless you put something silver/white over the TiN first - which is more cost and somewhat defeats the object. But maybe someone will find a way.
I'd like to see Silicon Carbide finishes. Just cos they would be literally SiC.

 word. I am keeping my boxxer for now. Marzocchi is going to have to do a crap load to get my business back. And just making their forks look "good" aint gonna cut it.

 you guys really need to try their new stuff, its freaking amazing!

 2008&09 series were just crap because production moved to China and they got all new suppliers and stuff...

 Yeah, TAIWAN, actually. Ive got an '08 66 that creaks likes a wooden boat- and at this point in time has developed excessive play in the stanchions. But overall it performs well, I honestly think after looking at these new offerings, and considering that they are fully aware of the problems that plagued the '09-'09 forks- I might buy one again. They make a really good product overall, I think the '09-'09 issue was a mis-step, not a sign of things to come.

 @winko: Moving production to China has nothing to do with quality loss. People in Asia do stuff according to the project done in "better hand-made world". Then the production quality gets approved by people from "better world" who sell it further as it is. So don't blame it on producers and suppliers.

Santa Cruz moved production to Asia and well V10carbon looks nothing of a lower quality product

 WAKI Is completely correct. Quality control has to do with the designing company, not the end factory that manufactures them. The factory just does what they are told.

 Well, the basic problem was the movement into Taiwan. But let's see a roll back. In the early 2000, when Marzocchi was still an totally Italian company the reliability and the test of the marzocchi's forks where verry acurate. In fact if you could get back in the factory yard of thoose times, you would shurely see a big mass of forks of all types, and all like new and destined to recycle, because where failed to the stress test. After some years, marzocchi sealed the factory to an american company (I don't know the exactly name of it and nor the location if was from us, or canada) that they keept the factory production in Italy untill 2007. From the 2008 they started with full production to Taiwan, and they failed with all this suddently action(you allready know many of the problems). Instead, from 2010 they started to reassembly the fork components into Italy even if production of the components it's still made in Taiwan, and the improovement was decisely a big step to reliability. The basic problem was the assembly line in taiwan, operators from there, for example where there where 10 micro's tollerance they assembled pieces like stanchions (-)less 10 micros with rings (+)plus 10 micros, that makes over tollerance at 20 micros difference between parts(this was only an example). After that there where problems on qality control, that they couldn't fix, I may say experience is a role that a new taiwan factory can't fix from a day to another.

 I can add another detail, in 2005 or 2006 the new Marzocchi company changed their distributors/dealers, and the older clients where forced by the new distributor (I don't know if Marzocchi company knew it) to make a mass buy to keep the same discount that they had with the old one (discount amount at maximum 30% of the price of any component - if a fork was 1600$ shops could buy and sell it at less than 1100$). So shops who buyed all over the year components even to the double of that summ, in thoose months where forced to buy a minimum 15.000-20.000$ in forks and components to keep the discount rate, and most of them refused to do it.
So, this is the reason of all the Marzocchi's loss in these years, some of them fault and some of the dealer's fault.

 that is a very interesting input 10feetover. Strangely enough what you are saying in first paragraph fits Marzocchi quality curve. For instance in 2004 a quality decrease could have been observed, i.e. all Z1 models had issues with bushing play out of the box. My friends Z1 Fr developed a terrible play and consequently, leaking through dust seals after half a year of use. Some strange stuff going on with HSCV cartridges. Then again 2006 models were superior, fixed 888 and 66 series which I personally believe albeit being heavy, are hard to beat in reliability and performance with todays Fox 40s and Boxxers. No matter what happens now inside the forks, something went terrible wrong with aesthetic values that pre 2007 models had. I'm a huge fan of Italian enginery and industrial design, and those early forks were somehow these Maseratis of bicycle forks. Now this unexplainable swith to fatter stanchions terrible arch - it is no longer an Italian Stallion it has as much to do with it as Pisa Tower in Vegas with original one. Vulgar crap.

 I don't believe for a second that the factories in Taiwan cannot manufacture to the same tolerances as those in Italy. It all comes down to cost-cutting. If Marzocchi wanted to PAY for a factory in Taiwan to manufacture to their tolerances, it would not have been an issue. It is evident that Marzocchi tried to cut some corners by moving production to Taiwan in 2008-2009. However, there is a right way of doing that, and a wrong way. As many people have mentioned before, MANY products are manufactured in Taiwan with no problems of precision or quality control.

 @smike I agree with you smike, but persons who work there seems that they don't even try to fix their problems, seen even they are payed at a surviving limit (would we be able to make qality production when we take like 100$ a month? - I don't know the exact pay of one worker in taiwan but I suppose that they aren't payed better).
2nd problem, the new Marzocchi started to produce in the 2006- (less) allready, or even earlyer, the economic models allready in taiwan but cost production like 888 was basicly keept in Italy. Allready in 2007 there where 888's made in Italy and 888's made in Taiwan, only few ones knew the difference between them (so that means the most of the producion was made there).
Of the MANY products made in Taiwan, I agree, there are lots of made there, but to difference of 2008-2009 zocchi's disaster, company's like Fox built their components in Taiwan and after that they ship all to us in order to be assembled and painted by american operators(should I ask myserlf why they do that? I guess there's no need). Or see frame builders like Lapierre, yeti, santa cruz, they build frames in Taiwan after that they ship all to USA/France(for lapierre) to be painted and controlled before sale. There are only a few that they build their frames/forks in the origin country like Ghost, Propain, Trek(not shure about trek), Foes, Ancilloti, Bos, Kona, Honda, etc. Others are all Taiwan and China Bycicles and components. I hope I didn't make any mistake overall.
Cheers!

 I don't believe any big company like TREK, Kona and especially European brands like Ghost Canyon, Focus do any production at home. Perhaps some assembling of components. Otherwise prices would be too high and they wouldn't be able to compete with smaller companies like Santa Cruz. I mean such a high tech like TREK and SPEC at this price? means only one thing: Far East production. BTW 10feet over from which part of Italy are you? north or south

 Usually large companies like Trek and SC do most of their production in the far east, EXCEPT for certain high end models. I believe the Trek Madone series road bikes are still made in the US.

 yea and fox

 That's cos no-one but kids gives a damn. Was only when children started commonly riding 20cm forks that there was a market for such trivia. - And when they ran out of other cheap ways to differentiate the product.
I would advise everyone to consider performance/value over and above the colour every single time. If the colour is a tie-breaker. Fine.
But I actively avoid gimmicks cos they cost me money erroding performance/value - the important bit. I would rather I paid a little more for better performance, quality control, warranty etc etc than to have coloured stanks. If it is a priority, your priorities are all wrong.

 same

 they have their act together, their new stuff is dam near perfect

 I thought my '08 888 WC's were trick. Marzocchi haven't just built a new fork, they've built a new yard stick.