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- Album
- Freeride---best-shots
- Category
- All Mountain/Enduro
- Date Posted
- Nov 19, 2011 at 8:46Nov 19, 2011
- Location
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Kielce, Poland
- Trail
- telegraf
- Riders
- miki & Jaws
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- Nikon D300
- Lens
- 24.0-70.0 mm f/2.8
- Shutter Speed
- 1/320
- Aperture
- 2.8
- Focal Length
- 24.0 mm
- ISO Speed
- 400
- Date
- 2011:11:02
- Time
- 14:56:14
111 Comments
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downhilltoavenged7x
(Nov 23, 2011 at 16:13)
If I went down a track first time and hit that...safe to say I would shit my pants
- 148 0
Well, first try didn't end up too good... I went a bit too slow and had quite a big crash.
But after few days (and fixing my front wheel) I tried again and made it
But after few days (and fixing my front wheel) I tried again and made it
- 10 4
Hah what do you know, it took this 3years to make POD.
Was thinking you could make a small phone call on that jump..
Cheers to the builder, and props to the riders!- 1 0
@JoshJeffrey, It was featured in several videos. For example here: www.pinkbike.com/video/283137 (around 0:55)
- 3 12
Not exactly a beautiful jump @cloudspitzfaden... Piling dirt against sticks isn't exactly great to look at, or very strong for that matter
- 3 1
^^^^ u b@#ch!!!! 1. it looks full shredder and 2. im sure its very strong and its so much damn quicker and easier to build when dirt is hard to get or u just want to shred.
- 1 8
I'm sure it works fine for the application they're using it for but it looks terrible, there's a reason you don't see jumps in the WBP (Whistler Bike Park) (or any bike park for that matter).
woohoo..
- 5 0
Well, it's still working fine... 
And I don't really have a good dirt for digging because of all the roots and rocks, so sometimes I just use everything I find to build a jump.
And I don't really have a good dirt for digging because of all the roots and rocks, so sometimes I just use everything I find to build a jump.
- 1 16
No excuse, that is outright pointless lazieness. You havent even neatened up the protruding logs... And its pre rotten wood...
- 1 0
I like pristine trails- but I still love this! The wood makes it look gnarly and the actual kicker is smooth as butter. It's also pretty wide- if you can't hit a kicker that wide then you shouldn't be looking at lines like this!
- 8 0
James, sorry about disruption your sense of aesthetics 
I have to agree about protruding logs. But I've bought a new handsaw this year so that won't happen again, I promise.
I have to agree about protruding logs. But I've bought a new handsaw this year so that won't happen again, I promise.- 2 0
that jump may look a little ghetto but that definitely adds an element to the pic, looks more natural.
- 1 4
Yeah, it looks cool, but a trail isnt about looking cool, its about riding right and being safe. their is firstly no need for logs on such a small kicker, and secondly the woodwork hasnt even been done right. It would be good if it all gets neatened up, but the best option is simply to build it right without filler. Really its what, 10 barrows of dirt? barrow every 5 minutes, thats call it an hour and a half as you get tired to stack it, and then its just a matter of riding it in solid, and you have a better more adjustable jump, that wont develop ruts, and weaken as the logs rot and fail.
- 1 0
^^ I just looked on your profile expecting you to be in your 50s. If you put 15 barrows of dirt on that hill that steep without any barricade then 12 of them would end up at the bottom.. and if that's 90 mins worth of digging for you then feel free to come help us at our trails- I reckon you could build an entire line on your own before lunch.
- 1 3
no they wouldnt, not if you tip them right... I have built on hills that steep with no rolling dirt. I build BMX trails, which is just straight stacking, and trust me that lip would not take long to stack out of straight dirt, its just a matter of slabbing the dirt instead of tossing it and hoping it stays put.
- 2 0
Look up 'Critcial angle of Repose'- you're still bound by the laws of physics. Dirt varies massively. You may have dug a few jumps but that doesn't make you Jesus.
- 2 0
James, it seems that you must have a degree at building jumps or something...
I would really like to see how you dig up a whole barrow of dirt in 5 minutes in that forest... In most places all you get after hour of digging are rocks and roots and very little dirt. I've checked your albums and all I can say is that I can only dream about having such a perfect dirt for building...
Anyway, it's not a dirt jump that you hit countless times. It doesn't look good but it worked perfectly for 2 years and still holding strong. And it's easy to move that type of kicker when I like to make the jump bigger (that's already the second version of that gap, soon to be changed again).
I would really like to see how you dig up a whole barrow of dirt in 5 minutes in that forest... In most places all you get after hour of digging are rocks and roots and very little dirt. I've checked your albums and all I can say is that I can only dream about having such a perfect dirt for building...
Anyway, it's not a dirt jump that you hit countless times. It doesn't look good but it worked perfectly for 2 years and still holding strong. And it's easy to move that type of kicker when I like to make the jump bigger (that's already the second version of that gap, soon to be changed again).
- 1 5
Its even easier to move straight dirt. Yeah i can dig a barrow in 5 minutes. Its really not too bad, possibly 50 shovel fulls, thats one shovel every 6 seconds? thats about right. Trust me i have built jumps like that, i have also hurt myself on jumps like that. Its why i go around preaching that its wrong to build like that. Its just being lazy, i moan at people who do it right, the way that jump is built it just plain wrong. When you move it put the time in, and build it right, its easier to tweak and easier to move afterwards. It also looks better, wont rut as much, and wont fail due to rotting or weathering. Also Gavlaa critical angle my ass, there is enough over vert stuff in the bmx world to prove that wrong. its not granular if it has a bonding agent, such as water then it goes out the window. By your logic sand castles are impossible, and so is every jump i have built in the last 4 years. A steep side is all about getting things compact and moist, then they set as a solid, and the critical angle becomes irelivent.
- 2 0
I see your point but it's not just about being lazy. To get enough of good dirt for a kicker this size I would have to spend couple days working hard with pickaxe. And that would look even worse in a result - with a huuuge hole next to the jump with a big pile of excavated rocks and roots next to it. If you don't have to deal with such shitty type of soil every time - good for you
I just have to work with what I got and adapt. And there are at least few different ways to build every feature on trail. I'm far from saying that one way is always the best.
I just have to work with what I got and adapt. And there are at least few different ways to build every feature on trail. I'm far from saying that one way is always the best.
- 2 0
James Carey- You're comments are hilarious. Physics lessons from someone who can't spell irrelevant? Just no.
- 1 4
I spell one word wrong, and that makes my whole point irrelevant? Go on then tell me how an over vert berm is possible then? Also then if you have loads of rocks, then use rocks as filler? its a solid alternative? `Or if you must use logs go and fell them, and cut them up nicely, dont use branches that have been on the ground for 3 years or so?
- 1 0
I've gotta admit I'm pretty tired of this but if you must... The angle of repose means that earth can only be stacked at a certain gradient before it collapses. This can be altered by using a bonding agent to increase the bond between particles. However, the main variant is the consistency of the dirt itself. Some earth will have greater friction between the particles (ie. Clay based) whilst others will rely on constant watering to allow the structure to stay together. In a lot of places it's nigh on impossible to water the trails- and when they dry out the steep bits have a fragile surface crust with bone dry sand beneath it. As soon as this is ridden it will collapse and be a royal ball ache to fix. Yes, you can build a sandcastle but not with dry sand. Dirt with more soil and clay in it will set hard as concrete, but in my part if the world it's practically a beach.
Looking at the kicker above, it looks like there is fairly decent earth at that location- but it's among a whole heap of roots and rocks. I personally agree that this could be made entirely out of dirt and I also agree the wood is a bit rotten- but as Miki has said to get the amount of dirt required you'd have to spend ages digging and filtering.
Looking at the kicker above, it looks like there is fairly decent earth at that location- but it's among a whole heap of roots and rocks. I personally agree that this could be made entirely out of dirt and I also agree the wood is a bit rotten- but as Miki has said to get the amount of dirt required you'd have to spend ages digging and filtering.
- 1 0
My biggest issue with what you have said is the amount of time and effort you would have to invest to do it. A spade full of dirt would take a lot more than 6 seconds to get if 80% of it is useless. Basically, it's great that you have decent dirt where you live and there's no doubt you should continue to build whatever you want, however you want. Just accept that not all the dirt in the world is the same as what you build with and what make take an hour for you could take much longer somewhere else. Also, people choose to do things in the way they wish- these guys aren't idiots. They worked out what they believed to be the most efficient way of building the kicker. I think it's patronising to come on here claiming that you know more about their trails than they do.