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There is one difference, the actual angle of the handlebar in your hands (if you're sensitive to upsweep and backsweep). So, in a perfect scenario you'd know you favourite angle, then get the grips at the correct effective stack and reach (by using aforementioned short stem + high vertical rise bar or long stem + spacers + bar's rise parallel with HTA)

This bikes makes me sad. There was a big opportunity to make something good, but it seems like Canyon just rushed the design to get their first light ebike on the market. - 450mm CS even for the XS? Put a 27" ffs if you can't shorten the CS in other ways... - 170mm cranks even for XS? my gf is 154cm, and extremely happy going from 170 to 150 (not on an ebike). Ebikes, especially this one giving max power at 100rpm, REALLY benefit from short cranks so you can spin anywhere and the motor assists you most. - same shock damper tune for all? yeah certainly that will suit everybody - cable tourism - charging port cover sticking out - derailleur shutting down with the battery... I am not just "not interested in bying" this bike, I am genuinely upset because it is exactly the opposite of what we (bikers and the world) need : well made products that last. Especially in the case of an ebike, what will happen when the 2 year warranty expires and the battery/motor has a problem? This product is destined to be stored, unused, in a garage. It's the opposite of a "workhorse" product, which is made to be used and easily maintained.

@eh-steve: I don't think people had to specify "acoustic guitar" before electric guitars appeared, to talk about... "regular" guitars? Language evolves, and is mostly driven by convenience and number of users of certain words/expressions.

Short cranks : the availability is so bad (unless you want to spend 200€ minimum) that I went with Goldix children cranks. SX and NX for example, "exist" but then are nowhere to be bought. Even my bikeshop can't find them. Considering the growing interest in short cranks, there is a surprising void here

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/ask-pinkbike-short-cranks-for-emtbs-axle-to-crown-heights-and-how-to-avoid-going-over-the-bars.html This article reminded me of this. No, SX cranks cannot be bought at least in France/Europe, believe me I've tried. Other options are expensive, like the Canfield at 200€+ and having a less common chainline limiting chainring choices. Thanks for the suggestions but I already researched all those. Finally found Chinese cheap Goldix children cranks, ultra cheap, bad quality, but perfect to try out something else than 170. My gf got the 155 and that's a perfect starting point to maybe get something high quality for the long term, in 150-160

@Twr: did you take into account the high stack ? For example if your current bike has 20mm of spacers under the stem, the Madonna maybe won't need them and you don't "lose" 8-10mm reach, and the M could work. Or the L with a low stack dropper slammed, unless your legs are extra short

@Muscovir: for all the GoPro Wannabees : "GoHome, you're not a hero"

@Caddz: Seatpost max insert S 220 mm / M 245 mm / L 268 mm / XL & XXL 294 mm https://raawmtb.com/pages/madonna-v3

Ok, haven't ridden one, but on paper and in pictures it ticks aaaall the boxes (except max seat post insertion) and looks amazing. Congrats on creating something the bigger brands don't

What's the seat angle? That straight tube makes me want to put a dropper