What is it: The original High Roller has proven itself to be both a top contender and a great all-around tire, having numerous World Cup and World Champ victories to its name, but Maxxis has been working hard on a new version, aptly named the High Roller II, that builds on the original design. Maxxis claims that they have improved both braking and cornering traction, as well as created a tire that rolls faster. There will initially be just two versions available: both using the same 2.4" wide, 2-ply casing, but one utilizing their 3C triple compound, and the other their longer lasting 60a rubber - although you can be sure that smaller volume options will be added in the near future. The 3C compound High Roller II tested here retails for $93 USD, similar to their other 3C offerings, although you'll likely be able to find it for less at your local shop.
The new High Roller II takes the best attributes of the original design and builds on them, with Maxxis claiming that the new model rolls faster, brakes better and corners more predictably.
Maxxis High Roller II details:
- Initially available in two versions: 2.4'' wide, 2-ply, 3C compound/2.4'' wide, 2-ply 60a compound
- Weight: 1290 grams (3C version, actual)
- MSRP $93.00 USD (3C model)
The details: Maxxis hit a home run with their original High Roller, one of the most successful tires ever made, but riders are going faster and further than in the past and it was time to look for more performance from an old favorite. The High Roller II uses the same basic arrangement as the original design, and even the same casing, but knob shape and layout have been altered in an effort to find more braking traction and corning bite while also looking to improve rolling speed. The chevron shaped crown lugs have been reversed and feature a much more pronounced braking edge to them, along with a sipe from left to right to allow for more knob flex. One of the few complaints about the original High Roller was an uncertain feel from the tire when transitioning from the crown to the shoulder knobs, something that Maxxis have claimed to address with the added vertical sipe to the braking lugs that span the tire's center section. A tire is judged greatly upon its cornering abilities and while the original High Roller is known to be among the best, Maxxis wanted to take it to the next level without losing the attributes that made the first design popular to begin with. The cornering knobs were altered with this in mind, angling them slightly for more bite and adding a vertical sipe, again for added knob flex to allow them to conform to the ground better than a solid knob. Changes were also made to have the cornering lugs bite sooner than on the previous design.
The High Roller II uses a revised cornering knob layout (left) that have been designed to engage sooner in an effort to provide a more positive turn-in feel. Sipes have also been added to the side knobs that allow them to flex and conform to the ground better. The crown knobs feature far more prominent braking edges, and also see sipes incorporated.
Given that a tire's width will vary depending on the width of the rim, size is always a tricky thing to discuss, but it is universally agreed upon that the original High Roller is slightly undersized compared to the advertised width. The new High Roller II uses the exact same casing as its predecessor, which Maxxis says uses a 2.4" volume, but also employs taller shoulder knobs that give the tire a wider footprint than the original High Roller. The difference is clear to see with both versions mounted to the same DT 2350 wheel (
24.8mm internal rim width): the original High Roller measures up at 2.28"/58.1mm wide, while the new High Roller II comes in at 2.32"/59.1mm wide. Again, because the casing is the same, this difference is solely down to taller shoulder knobs. This is slightly slimmer than the claimed width, but keep in mind that tire size is a function of rim width and it will vary accordingly.
While it's easy to see where the High Roller II came from, there are also some clear differences between the two that should create a tire with a different personality. Beyond changes to knob shape, the new High Roller II is also slightly wider due to taller shoulder knobs - 2.32'' wide compared to the old versions 2.28'' wide, measured on the same DT Swiss rim.
The performance: I tested the High Rollers II's on a 2011 Intense M9, mounted on an MTX 31 rim in the back and a Mavic 521 rim up front. After some experimenting I settled on running 25psi in the front, paired with 29psi out back with XC weight tubes. One of the first things I noticed on the High Roller II was how much more I had to lean the bike into corners compared to the original High Roller. The old High Roller had a fast, almost harsh transition when going from the center to the corning knobs, where the High Roller II takes a bit more energy to get on the side knobs, but provides a much smoother and predictable setup into corners. Once I got used to leaning the bike more I was blown away by how far I could push and lean the new tire's shoulder knobs and my confidence in them quickly skyrocketed. When the knobs did start to break loose, it was a lot more predictable than the original High Roller. Overall, the High Roller II provides a smoother and more predictable feel throughout the corner. One thing to note was that on some of the harder packed corners in the Whistler Bike Park I could feel the longer, angular corner knobs of the High Roller II starting to fold over, causing the tire to lose traction. Do keep in mind that it's not designated as a hard pack tire, and those same long cornering knobs are what enables the tire to find its impressive traction in the slop and loam.
A predictable feel and more control when braking make the High Roller II an improvement over the original design.
To be honest, I didn't notice a massive difference between the old High Roller and the new High Roller II when it came to straight line braking. The High Roller II still offered the same great braking power that made the original such a popular choice for a rear tire, but the High Roller II excels in braking control while cornering. I found that the old High Roller could make the rear end hard to place on the steeps when on the brakes hard, but the new version feels like it now has a touch of the Minion DHF braking control in it, turning the rear end of the bike into a rudder on the steep stuff that can still be easily moved around. However, the High Roller II offers more outright stopping power than the Minion DHF due to its large paddle-like center knobs.
Given that conditions can vary so much on the same trail, rolling speed can be hard to gauge, but the High Roller II does feel like it rolls a touch slower than the old version. This is probably due to the increased contact patch from the center knobs being flattened out, along with the fact that the tire is slightly wider and has increased spacing between the knobs. That increased spacing may slow down the tire a bit, but it created great mud clearing performance that I was impressed by. One race in particular was under horrendous conditions that saw the usually fast rolling course transformed into a series of swamps and muddy ruts. Many riders made the switch to full-on mud tires, but I decided to stick with the High Roller II's to see how they would handle the nasty weather. Every time I would stop during practice I was blown away by how there was next to no mud packed into my knobs, while other riders around me had Minions that resembled semi-slicks. The High Roller II cleared great in the sloppy conditions and found tons of traction where I thought that they may struggle.
The 3C compound High Roller II (left) after nine days of solid riding, including time in the Whistler Bike Park. The updated High Roller managed to stay remarkably clear in muddy conditions (right)
When it comes to durability you need to keep in mind that this is a performance tire that offers superior traction, and therefore it sadly does not always last as long as some of its harder compound competitors. I put a total of nine days of solid riding and racing on the 3C compound High Roller II's, but this included full days in the Whistler Bike Park that can easily count for a week of riding in other locations, and would likely replace at least the rear tire around the twenty day point. After feeling the cornering knobs fold in some of the harder packed corners in Whistler, I was worried that the thin and long side knobs of the High Roller II were going to start tearing at the base, and although there was a small amount of tearing beginning to show, they did hold up better than expected. During my time in the Whistler Bike Park I pushed the limits of my wheels, putting a couple flat spots in my rim without suffering any flats. I would by no means say that these tires are more resistant than any previous 2-ply Maxxis tire though, as I have always found that the rubber and sidewalls on the Maxxis' offers great flat protection. One thing to note is that on some of the high speed, hard packed corners the wider flanged and thinner side knobs sometimes will fold over causing the tire to lose traction.
Pinkbike's take: We loved the improved predictability during cornering and were impressed by how well the tire performed in the sloppiest of conditions. The new High Roller II is a step away from a comprehensive dry tire, and a step towards a true all-conditions option that can be used in more settings. It slots in between the Minion, a dry tire, and the Wet Screams. The original High Roller was, and still is, a great tire, but I think it's the same as the comparison between the original Knight Rider to the new Knight Rider. David Hasselhoff might now be an alcoholic, and who cares that he might only be popular in Germany, he is still a timeless classic who will never be forgotten. For those who don't understand my bad analogy, I'd still use the first generation High Roller, but the new version is an improvement in nearly every regard.
- Adam Mantle
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dont care though I still want them I think Maxxis know what they are doing and I cant judge a tire by looking at it.
and dude abouve he was overdoing it saying they are jsut rubber circles but you can see where hes coming from. especially if you go and ride moto for a while most stuff is the same price and you get so much more for your money. especially with tyred they cost the same and you get 50X the product when it turns up in the post.
and when you go to a track you spend £10 entry fee and £10 on petrol ride the whole day, spend 5 hours actually riding the bike. Go to fort william on your DH bike pay £30 to get on the uplift, ride all day and if your a hero manage 8 runs, sub 6 minute runs each thats about 45 mins of riding. its not fair.
Not exactly. Nothing gets written on the package when it comes to design costs, shipping, research, refabbing machines to creat new prducts. But that doesn't matter right? You can see it as a overpriced circle of rubber, I see it as the only contact patch btween us and mother earth, so don't skimp.
anyone know when i can buy these in the UK? i need some new tyres!
The changes that Maxxis has incorporated, make sense.
I've been riding High Rollers in Whistler for 1.5 season. They have an unsure point when transitioning from center to shoulder. Not unsettling if you aware of it, but it does cause me to adjust my line early, when cornering.
If you got some tech corners in your line. Knowing that your tires has a tendency to disappear when cornering at moderate angles. Makes line choice... all that more important.
Oh... do you think Maxxis won't come out with versions like UST, eXC, LUST? And that those versions will be about a pound lighter. Keep Watching.
kid woo posted a little more in-depth technical review above as well. worth a read IMO
I'm not a fan of nevegals but for less than $50 a tire, you get pretty good all around tires that last.
I really hope they will cut the price down to fit under the DHF.
Also please show me, do quote where you saw me say that: I change, let alone buy tires every months.
^^^^^^Sorry I thought you would replace your tire like a normal person at this point ^^^^^^^
It is common to want more grip on the front, hence Mike is running 4psi less on the front (though the rear tire is also more prone to pinchflats than the front, which is another reason to have more pressure in the rear). Most people who care about such things run 3-4 psi less on the front. Sorry if I am telling you stuff you already know.
I've expressed my opinion. Did not diss the product or even the company. You on the other hand, replied to my comment paraphrasing it wrong trying to make me say things i did not. On top of that, you are trying to make me sound like a troll without taking the time to read my post properly. Unless Maxxis is your mom, dad, or whatever relative, why would you take their defense and be offensive when my comments have nothing negative to say about the performance of the damn tire? If you would have said i was cheap or poor and it would have make more sense.
If you are NORMAL and NOT WEIRD as you point out i don't seem to be, why don't you take the time to read my post instead of assuming things i did not write?
I would have let this slide and die out but it pisses me off when someone invents stuffs and try to bring down their twisted and wrong sense of justice trying to convince me on things you are making up on your own.
26x2.40 High Roller II: Wire Bead, Single Compound, 60TPI, 2PLY, 1260g $76
Heavier (every gram count lol) than a DHF of the same size and compound and the same price.
Does this mean I'm slow? Who friggin cares if I am!? I'm having fun, and I'm having more fun than most of you because I always have new tires(like 3 new Kendas to you Maxxis riders' 1), and I don't have to run them down to the wires to get every cent out of them, and I'm not scrounging to buy a new set of tires because I think I have to(or can even come close) perform at a WC level on my random Tuesday ride.
98% of the riders on here would not notice the difference between tires ONCE THEY LEARN each tire's individual differences from the last tire they rode. And EVERY tire has a pro and a con over another, be it price, lengevity, or performance.
Personally, I think it looks like it will perform better in the wet stuff than the HR. www.kendausa.com/en/home/bicycle/mountain/nexcavator.aspx
Due out soon...
And you act like every maxxis rider will be using 3c... meaning you think every person who buys maxxis pays $80+ for each tire. You know the hard compounds are like 45 bucks right? You are bitching about their nicest option because it price is high... well no shit captain obvious. Do you complain about ferraris because theirprice is too high?? Maybe its because the product isn't for you.
And who are you to say that just because somebody isn't a WC racer, they can't use nice equipment? What if somebody wants the best handling version of their tire?? Is there now skill requirements? Get outta here with that bullshit
And i'm not bitching about ANY of their tire options. I'm not a fan of the company, PERIOD. If Ferrari acts like total f*ckwads to me when I'm ready to buy I will go with a Bugatti instead. Always other options. And cheaper ones that offer just as much fun!
And once again you're trying to flip people's words around to suit your own view. Not the way to win an argument or even make a worthy point. I said 98% of the people on here are not at WC level. And need to stop buying into the hype of some of these companies. I've talked to people who haven't even TRIED other products, they just look at who's winning what and buy what they use. Which IS the goal these companies are trying to reach and are succeeding. THOSE are the people I'm talking to. The ones sitting around waiting for the next new PRODUCT that will supposedly make them faster when they SHOULD be out riding.
Tires are the first component to connect the rider to the terrain, and SHOULD be taken seriously. But there are soooo many options out there that anyone NOT looking to, or are not able to, spend $100 on a tire that lasts less than a month, does have other options. Chances are, the guy looking to improve his skill level is the one looking at this tire(because maxxis is always the dog to bark the loudest), but is also the last one it will help due to the simple lack of skill and experience. He may as well be on a set of $12 discount tires until he starts to figure out WHY and WHEN he's needing better tires.
You're also too young to remember when Maxxis was at the bottom of the food chain and was THE shit tire to run. Some paid rider from back in the day deserves a cookie. Or the marketing manager that turned it around does...
That's sad but doesn't mean you got a magic look into the entire biking market. That just means you met some "sheeple". There are real people out there who care about how their bike rides, not just fakes who bought some shit just to say they have it.
"Does this mean I'm slow? Who friggin cares if I am!? I'm having fun, and I'm having more fun than most of you because I always have new tires(like 3 new Kendas to you Maxxis riders' 1), and I don't have to run them down to the wires to get every cent out of them, and I'm not scrounging to buy a new set of tires because I think I have to(or can even come close) perform at a WC level on my random Tuesday ride."
Who are you to say you are having more fun? Or how fast OUR tires wear? I dont ride 3c. I ride 60a which has lasted me 4 months. What how many kendas did you go through? Oh probably like 20 since you say 3 kendas = 1 maxxis on 9 days of solid riding. Nice.
make it better
I really like the look of these and will definitely be trying them once they have some other compound options and the prices come down a bit.
Edit: does anyone else miss the old high roller logo on them?
Been riding them for 4 weeks now and I can say they are as advertised, great all around tire.
I rode them in muddy conditions at Silver Star in late July and now dry conditions at the beginning of August.
I also just got back from a pedal me up rip down run and was very impressed with how they roll and grip uphill.
They are definitely better in the tacky or wet conditions than the dry. (Minon F still owns the dry)
The "vague" feeling of the old HR's going from the center knobs to the side knobs is still there with the HRII's but improved.
Once over to the side knobs they do grip like a pitbull.
On my all mountain rig I am going to continue to run the HRII's front and rear.
On my downhill rig I'm going to stick with the Minnon F on front and rear or maybe roll an HRII on the rear.
HAHAHA gangbanging Mexicans???????? Didn't see that one coming....
Sweet looking tires though.. But I like Ardents and Minions.
Also, scroll up and check my link I posted right above you...
When can we buy these bad boys?
I'm due for a new set of rubber right now.
i though this was funny....sorry
2.4 Wire 3c & 60A weigh in1,260g
Let's stop b*tching about weight; it's either you get a foldable for lesser weight, or get a DH cased tire that gives you peace of mind while doing tons of laps in a park.
c-bernier - that model is not a DH tyre! Der Kaiser and Der Baron DH modela are 1000 - 1150 grams depending on the tyre & model.
Im just saying comparing this new DH cased HR2 with a folding Rubber Queen weight-wise, arent exactly in the same playing field.
And yes, PB went downhill years ago. A site filled with trolls, little kids, and now, gangbanging Mexicans. What a sad, sad ordeal.
scrippsranchDJ - couldn't agree more
It is called Highroller II, not: Bestevaroller II - what did people expect, that it will save the world?! Make you a world champ at the same time ending famine and corruption?! it's an updated tyre, a piece of rubber for fks sake... I don't like the HR at all, prefer Minions, so I wouldn't buy HR2 even if it was 10$ - so don't like it? - don't buy it and keep it quieter
Let me re-point out your post...
"GARBAGE! instead of coming up with a new design lets reverse the treads and call it version 2. Then we pull your pants down and stick it where the sun dont shine for $93. This is why I not running maxxis any more. Tired old designs and high prices."
That sounds like a temper tantrum to me, and not a "critique" as you call it.
Here, here is another one of your posts...
"You are gayest german toolbag in the history of flaming germans. I cant even read that mumble jumble you trying to say. Learn how to shoot some real porn and stop listening to techno then we talk. As far as the USA WC DH TITLE CHAMPIONS, in your mfkin face btchs. Hold that! "
I don't even think I need to comment on that quote of yours...
so let's stop throwing shishkas at each other, nobody deserves to be covered in shishkas
Has anyone else actually ridden these? I'm interested in other takes on the predictable shift while entering a hard corner.....