Friday Randoms: Wooden XC Racer, Run-Flat Inserts, and the Most Expensive Tire at the Show - Sea Otter 2018

Apr 20, 2018 at 13:11
by Richard Cunningham  
Renovo Bad Ash Hardtail
Renovo's BadAsh Hardtail is CNC-machined from hickory, with thin carbon fiber strips laminated in the chainstays.

Renovo Bad Ash Hardtail
Thin, dark lines are carbon fiber that is bonded to the wood.
Ken Wheeler Renovo founder holds one of the matching halves of a front triangle.
Ken Wheeler, Renovo's founder, holds one of the matching halves of a front triangle.

Renovo Bad Ash Hardtail
Frames are painted with a polyurethane clear coat.

Renovo Bad Ash Hardtail
Anodized aluminum dropouts
Renovo Bad Ash Hardtail
The bottom bracket has a threaded aluminum insert.

Renovo Bad Ash Hardtail
The seatstay/chainstay junction is beautifully done.



Vittoria Airrliner
Vittoria tires was showing its "Airliner" tire insert. The grooves in the EVA foam are actually machine-cut. The bottom one functions as an air channel so it can be used with conventional Presta valves, while the upper groove functions as a calibrated cushion to make the transition between the air-spring and the elastomer cushion seamless.

Vittoria Airrliner
Vittoria's Airliner kit comes in four diameters to fit tires from 2.0" to 2.8" in 27.5 and 2.35" 29er tires. Riders can optimize the size and race on a flat, if needed.

Vittoria Airrliner
Airliner inserts are cut to fit and secured with a zip tie. MSRP is $85 USD each.

Vittoria Two Ply enduro tires
Vittoria Two Ply enduro tires
Vittoria now makes two-ply casings with folding beads for its Martello and Morsa gravity tires. The enduro-specific offering includes Vittoria's bead-protection inserts and reportedly, saves a measure of weight, while offering racers equal damage protection to their DH versions. Pricing is not yet fixed.



Hiplok
Hiplok's convenient "oversized zip tie design" hides a stainless steel band, so it is more difficult to cut.
Hiplok
This "key" fits all Hiplok straps. The idea is to be able to temporarily lock your bike where you can see it.
Hiplok
Hiploks sell for about ten dollars each, $19.95 for the twin pack

Hiplok debuted a burlier version of their minimum security bike lock with a programmable combination.
Hiplok debuted a burlier version of their minimum security bike lock with a programmable combination at Sea Otter for about $24.95 USD.



Mavic rockstar Scott Sharples building his Unno tire and wheel evaluating device.
Mavic rockstar Scott Sharples building his Unno "tire and wheel evaluating device."

Vittoria Two Ply enduro tires
Sharples "chose" proto tires on Mavic's 35mm inner-width XA 35 Pro Carbon wheels.



Pirelli P-Zero F1 tire
Pirelli’s P-Zero F1 tire is exceptionally lightweight. Nobody would quote prices.



Gwinn signature series
Gwin's YT Tues was on display while he was at work this weekend. I wonder how long it will take for his his signature series components to encompass the entire bike?

Gwinn s signature series

Gwinn signature series
Gwinn signature series

Gwinn signature series



MENTIONS: @SeaOtterClassic



92 Comments

  • + 105
 85 usd pool noodles. What the actual f*ck. "Machine cut" then held with a zip tie and tape? Thanks RC for the pics so we can all make our own.
  • + 31
 What next, they're gonna use zip ties as a lock for bikes and sell em 20 bucks each??? (scroll down). "Hiploks sell for about ten dollars each, $19.95 for the the pack to temporally lock your bike where you can see it" WTF?!
  • + 6
 @Jo-rides: aviation snips will cut that nice and quick. Never mind bolt cutters on a rope.
  • + 21
 Pool noodles are made from expanded polyethilene foam, not EVA
  • + 16
 @romphaia: very true but don’t tell that to the bro unless ya say “enduro blue”. Your description of the diffence in materials is way above his paygrade
  • + 17
 Why do people squark about things they arnt forced to buy. Its so weird. Make a ghetto one if you want and leave others buy one made out of high density foam, which wont soak up stans, or block the air valve if they want.
  • + 2
 @gonecoastal: i think it's meant for if you run down to the store on your bike or something and want to make it so there's an extra step to getting away with your bike. you're more likely to notice if someone is fiddling with it. it's also another thing in the way of them hopping on it and riding off.
  • + 1
 That stuff is made of closed cell foam, pool noodles are a different open cell foam. There are insulating foam rods that are the same stuff but much cheaper and likely, a different density.
  • + 3
 Yep, whenever I see the prices of the tire inserts, I can't help but think of this guy:

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Jj0uBQ7j5c4

Someone needs to update the clip to include the tire inserts.
  • + 5
 @Jo-rides @gonecoastal they're meant for those times you need to run into the gas station or rip a piss at a busy trailhead and you don't want to leave your bike entirely unsecured. I've had many a solo ride, often in unfamiliar towns, where one of these would make me feel way better. You can get through ANY cable lock with a set of angle cutters or tin snips in under a minute. So all locks are stupid except for U-locks and hardened chains, by that reasoning.
  • + 1
 @djm35: yeah much cheaper, like 42x times less? come on, both are quite the same cheap price and extruded by kilometer per hours
What you pay is the 100k$ per year of marketing
  • + 2
 @trialsracer: Takes zero time to lock my bike to my "New York" series lock. But feel free to use a glorified zap strap
  • + 1
 @Mac-Aravan: Yes your right you can buy 30 meters of closed cell foam tube on amazon for £20 it's a complete rip off!
  • + 3
 I've ridden them for a while now and am quite pleased. I used the Huck Norris and Schwalbe Pro-Core all last year and I like the Airliner a lot better. More protection than Huck Norris (more like Pro-Core), easier to install than Pro-Core (more like Huck Norris). It's a nice combo of easy to use and good protection. Just my 2 cents as someone who's ridden them...
  • + 1
 @charmingbob: can never get enough of that!!!
  • + 41
 Why hit the tree, when you can be the tree.
  • + 1
 Points for that man!
  • + 37
 RC channeling his best Eddie Jordan impression with the Pirelli
Salute
  • + 6
 Exactly what i thought at first glance
  • + 7
 No offence RC but I don't think you will be modelling for the calendar.
  • + 19
 Man I'm feeling like a squid because I've never pinch flatted my tubeless tires (2.5 Minions or Magic Marys).
Then I was thinking, well I have sliced them a couple of times. Maybe it was actually a pinch flat ? But only on one side and not usually that close to the rim. I like to think I ride light like a butterfly.

Anyway, I guess I'm going to have to hit crap a lot harder before I start putting a 1/2 lb of pool noodle in my tires.
  • + 1
 Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee! If you can get away with it, heck yeah! Wish I could!
  • + 17
 Extra points to Renovo for the De Havilland Mosquito picture in the background. "The wooden wonder" indeed.
  • + 13
 About time we started putting pool noodles in our tires
  • + 8
 Gee, I wish I had a wooden mountain bike that I was frightened to actually ride, but looked really cool just sitting around. I could possibly ride it down to the cafe and stuff. And other hipsters would comment on how cool it is. Cool, just sitting still. Like art on a wall. Exactly where that belongs.
  • + 36
 I can't even criticize that thing. As a woodworker the complexity of it is staggering.
  • - 5
flag Gregorysmithj1 (Apr 20, 2018 at 20:01) (Below Threshold)
 I saw a wood bike in the wild on a trail, just looking at it gave me anxiety! For all the weird undeserved hate Ellsworth gets for low seat tubes this should get roasted.
  • + 4
 @jclnv: I’m strangely drawn to those bamboo frames...
  • + 6
 So, not a materials engineer or anything of the like I take it? Any of you get through school far enough to learn the history of wheels? I mean, let's make everything out of plastic, that's super strong! Oh My God it's wood we're going to die! The ignorance is palpable.
  • - 2
 @waywardtraveller: you think a wood frame is a ideal material for a mtn bike? Wood frames are stupid they warp and can't be transported to different climates without warping.
  • + 2
 @gonecoastal: My father told me that when he raced track WAAAY back in the day and he used cane rims. They glued linen to the outside of the rims for grip. Or he had dementia even earlier than I thought...
  • + 8
 I bet the pinkbike community would freak if they saw the msrp on that Pirelli tire
  • + 7
 Yep and I can guarantee nobody is going to compare that price to the bicycle equivalent. Ya know, a race-ready bicycle tire with cutting edge compounds and casings.
  • + 13
 Unless it had a bottle cage, then the price would be justified.
  • + 3
 Not to mention the magnesium centrelock rim.
  • + 4
 Ive always been fascinated by the balloon tires on F1 cars. Small wide rims and huge tires is so different from nearly all other types of road racing.
  • + 0
 @GTscoob: probly owned by a dentist
  • + 3
 The wooden bike looks amazing. I'm pretty sure that it's strong enough to be ridden fast and hard. I guess it's weakness will be impact from sharp objects, just like carbon. Wood by nature has shock absorbing properties, so it should feel nice to ride. I also wonder if there'd be any advantage if they laminated the whole frame with a layer of fiberglass and then hot coated, just like surfboards. It would increase durability,stiffness and give a nice "depth" to the finish, but there would be a weight penalty. Price would increase too, as the hand lamination and poilshing is a lot of work.

Don't know if I'd ever buy a wooden mtb frame, but I do admire the idea and execution.
  • + 1
 I'd hazard a guess and say it'll fail at that tiny pin/screw just above the rear drop-out. All terrain forces go straight through what looks like M3 bolt. Does not look like sound engineering to me. Further if their road bikes are anything to go by neither of us mortals can afford one.
  • + 4
 The problem with that Vittoria system is that they probably sell 10 times as many if they sold them for $30. They really hit the wrong price point. No one will buy one at 90. Would I buy one at $30? Absolutely
  • + 3
 If OneUp can a 170 mm dropper post for $199, then surely somebody can make a tire insert for twenty bucks and not look like they're trying to rip off Joe qpublic.
If you want to leave your bike Locked In plain sight the easiest thing to do is either undo the front quick-release so that the wheel comes out when somebody lifts up the bike and leave it in the hardest to pedal gear. Or remove the QR completely and take it with you as you go into a store. Works for me it's free and you don't need to carry anything.
  • + 1
 Even just using your helmet straps does the trick.
  • + 1
 @madblack: helmet strap and heaviest gear are my go to security tricks when I'm a few meters away from the bike. Never leave it out of sight though.
  • + 5
 just out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried making their own tire inserts out of those $2 eva floor mats you can get at homedepot?
  • + 3
 Some guys on the Australian forum at Rotorburn have been giving various hardware store options a try! I think the $4 foam pipe insulation from the plumbing section is the choice at the moment.

www.rotorburn.com/forums/index.php?threads/huck-norris-anti-flat-tubeless-protection.311471/page-2#post-3166483
  • + 14
 the problem is that everyone that figures it out ends up starting a foam tire insert company once they see the 10,000% profit margins
  • + 7
 @xeren: And then goes bankrupt when they sell two in the first six months.
  • + 4
 Jesus. Internet fail today. Should actually be doing work instead of Pinkbiking.
  • + 6
 Join the club. I wasted...err, researched several hours this week
  • + 2
 Not that i'll ever need to run tyre inserts, but how do they work with tyre sealant? I'm guessing you need to use at least twice as much to cover both the inside of the tyre and the foam insert? or am i just being dumb?
  • + 2
 For the fist time fill yeah till they coat the insert then few weeks later do another top up and it's same as normal after that. Got huck norris in my rears and rate it very highly. Saves jumping a lot of extra weight on dh grade 1200g tires to avoid that bang bang bang of the rim on rocks weight is bugger all.
  • + 1
 I've been testing them for a while and haven't had to use more sealant than normal. The sealant really only needs to be on the outside so I just put it in normally and it has worked fine!
  • + 3
 I love UNNO, they should give one to Chris Harris from Top Gear. Those Mavics look great. You must be a very lucky man mr Sharples.
  • + 1
 $ 25.00 for one of the Hiploks..I bet a small set of bolt cutters would make quick work of cutting them. Thanks, I'll alwys keep my bike within sight, and locked securely in my house....along with my pup..Smile
  • + 3
 Bolt cutters might struggle with something as thin as a zip tie... Maybe some sheet metal sheers, but a crook is less likely to be carrying those.
  • + 1
 There was a similar lock tested a while ago and they couldn't cut through it after ten minutes with bolt cutters. I'm not sure if this is the same brand but it was steel insert with Kevlar surround.

I'm getting one for sure. (The one that was reviewed!)
  • + 1
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: valid observation
  • + 0
 No bolt cutters required a decent side cutter gets through them with little effort
  • + 2
 My pup used to be my bike lock. I tied her leash around my top tube (of my town bike) and nobody would go near it while I was getting groceries.
  • + 7
 I never lock my bike up, If I'm ever in a situation where I need to lock my bike I just get out of the situation! works pretty well, never had my bike stolen!
  • + 4
 @mikeyrides: if you lived in Eugene theyd just steal your dog and your bike.
  • + 1
 @l-Naz-l: Or just get the one-fits-all key from Hiplock.

To quote RC: " This "key" fits all Hiplok straps." While I get the idea, it's still a very strange idea for a lock.
  • + 2
 @mustbike:

I don't think so..When you see a big black German Shepard with all of her teeth showing, and Growling, I doubt anyone would try to even get close enough to steal anything..Wink Thieves around here, So. Cali, always carry bolt cutters. Youtube has video of them stealing bikes in broad daylight, and in a crowed place, those a holes are brazen.
  • + 7
 The idea behind every lock is deterrence and delay in walking away with a bike not absolute protection. I’ve seen 3 bike thefts personally and two of them involved unlocked bike (yeah yeah only in Sweden) Some hipsters were sitting in a cafeteria and guy walking buy just grabbed one of their fixies and rode away with it. Nobody knew what was going on until one of those hipsters said where’s my bike? As the thief picked up speed.

Yeah I have a fkng giant chain and lock from Abus that survived one theft attempt and considering thief had all the time in the world to steal it as long as he wasn’t making the noise, it’s a good system. But it weighs 10kg total. I’m not going to fkng take it around town with me only to win in internet battle royale of “I am the most responsible bicycle owner that will never get his bike stolen”. A lock has to be convenient to carry around. Even mu Abus U lock isn’t.
  • + 2
 @speedyjonzalas:
its OTTOLOCK Cinch Lock and yeah its insanely hard to break i have yet to see someone cutting through with normal tools
  • + 1
 Loosen the stem bolts? Never tried it but maybe when your bike is away from you but in sight, it will delay a thief from riding off long enough to get to them and greatly incease the risk of injury to theif?
  • + 1
 @Braindrain: Turn saddle around facing bacwards if it's QR or after stopped engage shifters to lightest gear works fine and it's simpler if you're keeping it under sight
  • + 7
 @Braindrain: I had an evil idea once. There is a street in the center of Gothenburg that goes straight across a steep hill and there is no other way down that hill than the steep straight street both ways. So if you placed an unlocked bike with cut brake lines the thief would easily reach 40-50km/h before he came to the first crossing and he would have 3 more to do going that fast with T crossings at the end.
  • + 1
 @miguelcurto: my way is tool free. Derail the chain off the biggest cog in the cassette and put it against spokes then put the bike upside down. I may eventually leave it standing upright and then I remove front maxle since it is easy to do and doesn’t affect the setup of the bike.

Another good tip: Do not attach helmet to the bike in any way, like to lock the front wheel with it. A random dude who takes the helmet off the bike, puts it on his head and then proceeds to take the bike is less likely to raise suspicion.
  • + 2
 @mustbike: she was a staffordshire terrier, not many folks would approach one if they didn't know the dog.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: this post ties in oddly with your last post in that if you leave your bike upside down, air in the master cylinder can work it's way up to the caliper. When you put the bike right side up again, and go to ride off, you'll have no brakes! It's for this reason I stopped turning my bike over to change flat tires. I had to hop off my bike and launch it down a hill because I had no brakes. Quite startling at the time, really!
  • + 2
 When offered a deal on the hickory bike, the picky hipster sang
"I will wait,I will wait for yew."
  • + 3
 i can see a YT Capra behind the Tues... Razz soooo beautiful!
  • - 1
 Looks like pile of shit compared to that Unno.
  • + 2
 @jclnv: ill stay with the Capra
  • + 2
 @tomasyr: Because it's half the price!
  • + 1
 Why not just fill the whole tire with foam instead of air? Then it's definitely impossible to get flats...
  • + 1
 Did anyone ask Vittoria where are 2.6 and 2.8 trail tires they promised for 2018?
  • + 1
 Unlike wooden I like bikes. However the combination of the two doesn't do much for me.
  • + 1
 I like. Not unlike.
  • + 1
 Air Liners = Crocks for your bikes. EVA has the energy return of pasta. No thanks.
  • + 2
 Great, evo friendly frames laced with carbon.
  • + 2
 Good luck chasing down a creak on that. Impressive though.
  • + 1
 those foam inserts its like foam insulation on my air condition pipe line
  • + 1
 Do i really need a $90 pool noodle in my tire??
  • + 1
 Looks like Major Kusanagi is coming to have a word with Sharples.
  • + 1
 can we get a look at Voreis slalom rig please. thank you.
  • + 1
 Gwin’s YT Drool
  • + 1
 Ocean Lutrinae!
  • + 1
 I like not 'unlike'.
  • + 1
 I wood ride that Renovo

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