Aaron Querol is only 14 years old and like a lot of young riders, loves to ride downhill and isn't afraid to go big. But finding a bike that won't let you down when you're still too small for a big DH bike and too tall for a kids bike isn't easy. Enter the new
Commencal Supreme Junior. Sporting 160mm of travel in the front and 150mm in the rear, this capable mini-shredder was designed to bridge the gap between a kids bike and an adults bike without affecting performance or the ability to choose the right components for the task at hand.
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Yes expensive but it''s the same for all sports. Just look at dirt biking which has a huge family following. Some folks have the $$'s.
"The logic was to choose the 26 inch wheel size but it has been all but abandoned by almost every brand making wheels, rims, tyres and forks which has led us to choose the 650b format"
clearly haven't looked at maxxis, conti or schwalbe catalogues then. 26 still has the best range of tyres and wheels and since when did SRAM stop making the pike in 26.
I've got a mate who's 30, short and doesn't want to sell his Summum 26" because all the new bikes are 27.5" and feel wrong.
I finally bought a 650b AM bike and can't believe how much better it feels than my old XL frame 26" bike even though they have almost identical geo.
The older I get the more I think wheel size should be in proportion to frame size.... really happy we've got the choice these days but the marketing guys are busting a gut to sell us bikes that aren't well 'proportioned'.
It's not about "fitting" into the frame, it's the ability to ride the bike. Bigger wheels take more power to get them rolling. Once a kid has them up and rolling, they will be just as fast. But getting them rolling with smaller legs and less power is a detriment. Put the kid on a tight tech course on 650B and put him on the same course on 26 or 24, and he'll be faster, as the kid can explode and excellerate on the little wheels.
At local races at Whistler, the top 12 year old pulls out his old 24" wheeled DH bike for tight bermy and corner-filled courses as he's way faster out of the corners and pretty much kills the other kids on 26" wheels. My son at 10 (tall kid) went to 26" XS frame this year (Reign SX) and on drops and when rolling fast tech, he loves it, but he knows he's slower on acceleration and twisty sections that require putting the hammer down. 650B would only add to this.
Jump forward to this year. My son has grown like a weed, and is now 5'3". We demo a YT Tues and he is way faster on it. The Tues is 650b, but has a lower stack height than his Faith at 23.9", but is much longer with a reach of 16.14". His comment was after riding the YT, the Faith felt like a BMX bike. It worked well enough for him to win the points series for Cat 3, 13 under at Northstar. He has no trouble handling the long bike and does whips and table tops all the time.
So what is my point here? The difference between 26" and 650B is minimal. What is important is the reach and stack. With a short headtube and a 160mm fork, you can actually get the stack height down to about 22.5" which is much better for the 4'9" to 5'3" riders that Commencal is targeting the bike. Would 26" give you a little lower height, yes, about 1/2" for the same headtube length, but Commencal is absolutely correct, 26" development for parts has virtually stopped and existing inventories are dropping. Trust me, the other 7 mountain bikes in the garage are 26" and every time a new tire comes out I groan, because they aren't available in 26".
Finally, as to pricing, it seems pretty good to me. $2200 for a ready to roll grom bike that weighs 31 pounds and a junior can competitively race on is a good value. Take a look at used XS bikes and you will see that to get a decent one is $1500 plus (ala Giant Reign or Faith). Hell, when I sold my son's XS Santa Cruz Nickel frame, the guy that bought had me ship it to New Zealand, because he couldn't find a decent XS anywhere else.
I was thinking the same for DVD. And then, for BluRay and HD screens. And a few years later for Full HD. And for 4K. And 8K.
Damn! Did they lie to me ??
After selling unusable mountain bikes for kids with only one gear... (Supreme 20, in the mountain really ?)
They did it : oversized wheels for kids
Guys @Commencal, have a look a little on Lil Shredders, Norco, Early Riders, MTB Cycle Tech, ProPain.
They know how to do bikes for kids and this has nothing to do with wheel size.
When your kid's bikes weight nearly the same weight as the rider, that the rider can't climb a small hill and can't learn turning, I call that an anvil.
Go back to your office and design real kid's bikes. Nice painting & marketing is not enough.
My point is dont under estimate the skill and strength of a kid. In their case it really is about blaming the tools.
I have the remains of a 26" hardtail (because 650b is the future so stop whinning) in the garage and am pondering getting a really small frame and building it up for him. I dont care what it looks like and nor does he. The last laugh is on who has the most fun.
Not just for kids. Great for short folks too.
In a long run kids are growing fast, the more smooser transition for parent - the better and more loyal audience of the brand
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Once he grew out of that he had a Commencal 24" mini DH which was a fantastic bike for little kids and he loved it and won quite a few races on it as well!
He is 14 now and has just got onto his first 650b wheels his first comment after riding it for the first time was how much smoother it made things and the grip level was a lot better. So well done Commencal I hope it does well for you.
Aaron is 1.5m tall and as we said, 14 years old. Before riding the SUPREME JR 650b (and indeed a 650b for the first time ever in his life) he always rode a 26". After trying it he loves the 650b size.
First of all, let us appreciate how comfortable and effortless he looks having never ridden the finished product before filming. Secondly, looking at what is available on the market today and more importantly, into the future, 26" wheels are fading and in order to provide a product to the young public that will grow with them and stand the test of time (and also be resellable and customisable with standard industry components being produced in factories around the world), it is necessary to use a 650b wheel format. Our first thoughts/choice was to go with the 26" but it's just not logical.
Finally, it is important not to concentrate solely on the wheel size but everything that goes on around it. When we design a bike for a kid (or anyone for that matter), it's important to get a good balance between the reach and the stack height. There are many other factors to be considered other than just wheel size because after all, the difference in radius (measured to the rim) is just 12.5mm!
12.5mm for the wheel plus the extra for the fork, say 10mm (pike difference 26-27.5), thats over an inch in hight added.
I'm curious to know what the logical reasons are for not using 26 other than marketing BS given the huge range of forks, wheels, rims and tyres you get in 26
Good 24" mtb tires are hard to find, but you make one of those.
Good 20" mtb tires are hard to find, but you make one of those sizes too....
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