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First Look: Ghost Bikes AMR Riot 9

Aug 14, 2013 at 9:05
by Mike Kazimer  

Ghost Bikes began their AMR line in 2006, with the intent of creating a well-rounded trail machine, and the Riot is the German company's latest addition to this series, featuring a revised suspension design, 27.5” wheels, a full carbon frame, and 130mm of travel. There are currently only three frames in existence, but full production is slated to begin soon, and the bikes should be available next spring. There will be three versions of the Riot, each equipped with the same frame but different parts packages. We were able to take a close look and get out on an initial ride aboard the Riot 9, which comes decked out in a full Shimano XTR package with Fox suspension for $7300. The Riot 7 will have a slightly less extravagant parts package and retail for $5250, and there will also be an even lower priced Riot 5.

Details
• 130mm travel
• 27.5" wheels
• 68 degree head angle
• 435mm chainstay length
• 142x12mm thru-axle, BB92
• Internal cable routing
• Frame weight (claimed): 2.1kg
• MSRP as shown (estimated, without pedals): $7300USD

Ghost Bikes' Riot Link.
Frame Design and Suspension Layout

The AMR Riot has a full carbon frame with lightweight aluminum rocker links (both sides of the upper link weigh in at only 80g). Ghost's industrial designer used to work for a luxury car manufacturer, and the clean lines and sleek headtube shaping on the AMR Riot certainly wouldn't be out of place on a high end sports car. Internal cable routing keeps the brake, derailleur and dropper post cables tucked away from the elements, and a 142x12 rear thru axle secures the rear wheel and adds further stiffness.

The AMR Riot features a different suspension design than the more traditional four bar linkage found on their previous models. This new iteration, called the Riot Link, uses a chainstay-driven short rocker link to control the last portion of the shock's travel. While still a four bar linkage, this design allows Ghost Bikes' engineers to exercise greater control over the bike's suspension curve. The first 80% of the travel is designed to have a digressive damping profile, providing a pedalling platform early in the stroke and then becoming more linear as the shock moves through its travel. The Riot Link activates during the final 20% of the bikes travel, creating a highly progressive end stroke that makes it difficult to bottom out the suspension. This suspension design also greatly reduces the forces on the upper rocker link, and keeps the mass closer to the bottom bracket for a lower center of gravity. Ghost decided to go with bushings instead of cartridge bearings on the AMR Riot's pivot locations, and found that the combination of Norglide bushings with aluminum axle hardware made for a low maintenance, low friction system.

Ghost Bikes AMR Riot
  A look at the Riot Link in action. As the shock nears the end of its stroke the link is activated, creating a more progressive end stroke.

Ghost Bikes AMR Riot
  Another design feature of note is the rear brake mount. To avoid transferring too much braking stress to the frame's carbon seatstay, the rear disc mount is attached at a 90 degree angle at the front of the caliper, and the rear sits over the 142x12 rear thru axle. Ghost's engineers also found that mounting the brake this way helped eliminate the braking noise that can occur with misaligned calipers.

Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesOur brief time on the AMR Riot 9 left us intrigued. A nimble climber (no doubt aided by its overall light weight), it also felt quite capable on the downhills, capable enough that we were left wondering how it would handle with a stouter, longer travel fork. This change would slacken the geometry slightly, pushing the Riot 9 towards the all-mountain side of the spectrum. In any case, we're excited to spend more time aboard the Riot when production begins, at which time we'll be able to fully see what this bike can handle. - Mike Kazimer

www.ghost-bikes.com

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91 Comments
  • 513
 that brake mount is genius
  • 933
flag sladevallydh (Aug 14, 2013 at 9:15) (Below Threshold)
 until you need to replace it
  • 111
 Why would you need to replace it in the first place? i mean it probably fits most brakes and second, whats so hard about replacing it?
  • 823
flag sladevallydh (Aug 14, 2013 at 9:26) (Below Threshold)
 it would fit on ghost bikes, because of axel spacing, and how many bike shops would actually have it in stock, unlike a normal mount
  • 162
 when do you have to replace brake mounts though? It's not like they ever break or anything.(no pun intended)
  • 417
flag sladevallydh (Aug 14, 2013 at 9:29) (Below Threshold)
 well if you want a different size rotor, and they do break, (rarely), ive only seen a handful coming in broken to the bike shop i worked at
  • 411
flag gabriel-mission9 (Aug 14, 2013 at 9:30) (Below Threshold)
 Err, don't really understand how it helps anything. Rather than being built into the seat stay, it attaches with one little bolt, so all they are really doing is focussing all the stresses in one little area. Then at the other end it attaches around the axle, which is going to get removed/refitted many hundreds of times over the bikes life. So thats not going to wear out or anything then??? Smells of penny pinching rather than performance increasing to me....
  • 214
flag sladevallydh (Aug 14, 2013 at 9:32) (Below Threshold)
 most of the stress will come through the axel,
  • 81
 You never need to replace brake mounts you just need different size spacers or adapters.
  • 50
 I guess if you ever break one(which i have honestly never heard of happening) then you will just have to order one. which in this day and age isn't all that difficult
  • 519
flag sladevallydh (Aug 14, 2013 at 9:42) (Below Threshold)
 i agree, but i cant see any benifit from it, and its certainly not genius ...
  • 20
 Amazing brake mount. Reminds me my Schwinn Straight 8 and how active was the rear end when braking. Broken brake mounts??? Never seen or herd about...
  • 115
flag sladevallydh (Aug 14, 2013 at 9:44) (Below Threshold)
 old ones sometimes crack, some bend when the rotor gets bent, some some are over torque and crack ...
  • 25
 it probably could make a lot of damage if it gets a hit to the inside
  • 70
 tell me what happens when you break the tabs/strip the brake mount holes on most bikes it time for new seat/chain stays not a piece that you bolt on. This is closer to a replacable derailleur hanger. Any regular 160 to 170/180mm adapter will work on there.
  • 40
 This is why (partially) this is such a great system
  • 30
 I'm like 99% sure they sell Ghost bikes at MEC (mountain equipment co-op) so if you break anything on this bike I'm sure you can take it there and they'll have a part for you.
  • 10
 MEC (much like REI formally did, they've changed this year due to abuse by their members) has a lifetime guarantee policy on everything they sell to their members, so if you broke something irreplaceable on a bike they've sold (thru no fault of your own obviously) then they'd likely give you a refund if they couldn't get the part to fix the bike.
  • 24
 whats with the neg props for every comment saying that brake mount isn't pure genius????
  • 10
 this is an amazing mount simply because it directs the braking force onto the axle reducing force on the frame ...sweet as design !!
  • 11
 the brake mount is fucking genius but that bottom bracket shell just messes with my head too much.
  • 12
 if you removed the little bolt at the top of the mount then applied the brake, the whole mount would just spin round the rear axle. it seems to me this mount directs nearly all the force into that one little bolt. that is not a good thing...
  • 22
 Except that bolt is in compression/tension, and bolts are strongest in that direction so the chances of failure are practically nil.
  • 11
 yeah, but my point is the whole thing could have been built into the frame, spreading the load over a faaaar larger area. instead they decide to focus all the load onto one bolt and then claim this "avoids too much stress being transferred into the stays" This makes little, if any, sense.
  • 11
 Have you NOT read the article at all? They did it to take the load OUT of the carbon fiber stays. If you do not understand the material properties, then don't chime in with your opinions on how to engineer a frame out of those materials.
  • 11
 And I quote "To avoid transferring too much braking stress to the frame's carbon seatstay, "

So deeeeeight, please educate me on how having all the stresses transferred through one small bolt, somehow avoids transferring the stress at all? The stresses HAVE to go into the stays. If you want to minimize the negative affects of these stresses you need to spread them over as large an area as possible. This design does entirely the opposite thing. But seeing as you clearly have a degree and huge amount of experience in the material properties of carbon fiber, please explain why this bolt on mount helps. I eagerly wait your rant, i mean response....
  • 22
 EXCEPT YOU'RE PLAINLY IGNORING THAT THE MOUNT TRANSFER IT TO THE AXLE INSTEAD!!! ITS RIGHT THERE IN THE PHOTOGRAPH IN BRIGHT SILVER and you still can't grasp it apparently. God you're too much of a moron for me to bother responding to any longer.
  • 12
 Rotational force transferred into the axle its rotating around.......right........one of us is certainly a bit of a moron.....it aint me.

Oh and by the way..."If you do not understand (basic geometry).... then don't chime in with your opinions on how to engineer a frame."
  • 21
 @ gabriel-mission

You would be correct if the brake mount was not around the axel, if there was only one bolt all stress would be transferred into it, and into the stay, but the mount is locked around the axel with very minimal clearance (maybe 1/4 of a mm) so the stress is shared between the bolt and the axel. i understand your point about rotational force but your seeing it the wrong way, and its hard to explain without diagrams....
  • 13
 sorry. i don't mean to bang on about it, but next to zero force will be put into the axle by this mount. as i said earlier, if the brake mount only attached to the axle, when you applied the brake, the mount would just spin. Therefore nearly all the force goes into that one little bolt. anyway, i cant really be arsed to repeat myself about this any more, byeeeeeee
  • 182
 a $7,300 and a $5,250 model. i can 100% say i will never spend $5,000 on a complete bike. if im going to spend that much, i'm going to piece it together part by part and get exactly what i want...AND FOR LESS.
  • 51
 For sure!
  • 50
 good luck...
  • 10
 That was the only way I was able to build my slash. I built it for FAR less than Trek wants. Plus I built it to MY prefrence ie a shimano drivetrain and non OEM 36 Talas.
  • 10
 I agree, "price" and "worth" are certainly not the same thing and there are parts and technologies I wouldn't waste money on, on the other hand I'm fanatical about materials and workmanship so some could be Zoom, some XTR, some old and some the latest technology. So you have tubes in your tires or a 25.4 bar clamp, so what? But would you build up a new frame with less than say a Shadow Plus rear derailleur or modern crankset? Well, you'd have to have the tools and the talent or be willing to learn I guess.
  • 82
 "and retail for $5250, and there will also be an even lower priced Riot 5"
even lower than $5250, thats very generous of ghost
  • 70
 I dig the bottom out resistance incorporated in the rear shock assembly
  • 93
 Where are the 26ers going!!?!?
  • 100
 My place - It's where the corners are tight and the tyres light!
  • 20
 They still here, just a bit off the back. No worries though, mate. It's okay to be last man down, so long as you do it with steeeeeeez.
  • 60
 Let's talk about the bike it self vs what size tire is on it.
  • 20
 But the size of the tire dramatically changes the way the bike handles and performs...the tire size is probably the thing that stands out the most when you're riding it.
  • 40
 "bushings" and "low maintenance, low friction" - hard to believe those words in the same sentence...
  • 30
 I guess we're all gonna be buying bikes and swapping out the wheelsets in the future. Custom builds will probably be more popular too
  • 10
 It will be interesting to see how it works in practice. Still, manipulation of the leverage rate curve is not everything. What about the anti-squat curve for example? Looking at the pivot locations it is very unlikely that this bike will be able to match the neutral pedaling performance of the better bikes like the Cagua 650B already made by Ghost.
  • 10
 These bikes are a pretty good deal up here in Canada. They sell the "7" model with XT rather than XTR for $5200 CAN.. There are really noparts that need immediate upgrades either with all Fox squish, full XT shift and brake systems, a Reverb Post, Selle Italia saddle , Easton wheels and the hgher end Nobby Nick tires.They obviously read forums because they know everyone wants wide bars and short stems and stays. All that with a high end carbon frame and a unique linkage...damn. I have looked at many bikes but any equipped like this will certainly not be carbon. I am really liking the new Horsethief, which has great parts too but cannot get near this thing weight wise. Just got back into riding after MANY years and got a ti 29er which I love but suspension has really been perfected and I'm drawn to it.
  • 95
 and here we go again ....
  • 42
 it's a very smartly designed bike but I don't want to change my wheel size so in my case the discussion is off the table, sorry ghost
  • 61
 After a long conversation with JOZLEDEACHE, we've decided to rescind 650b from the market. Oops, our bad. -The Bike Industry
  • 11
 Just stick 26" wheels on the bike...easy
  • 10
 Is this shows that Horst link is imperfect suspension as is? The 'brain' and these riot mini links are just additional component that adds weight and maintainance. The Konas magic link might be fad at all.
  • 21
 Rotating bottom link on a four bar system... kinda like a kona magic link? Minus the additional travel?
  • 20
 nah, the magic link was designed to balance pedalling forces, this is an overcomplicated anti-bottoming device. Seems a little silly now that most shocks have some form of bottom out control. although now i think about it it has allowed them to build a pedalling platform in without making the shock blow through its travel too easily, so I can kinda see the thinking behind it. Just looks like alot of extra bearings for small benefit to me.
  • 10
 I have a magic link bike and it definitely does both, it balances pedaling forces (my coilair is the best pedaling 200mm bike I think ever) and adds some progressive-ness at the end. But yes. It is super complicated. We will have to see how it works.
  • 20
 riding a 2012 Kona Abra Cadabra. The Magic Link has been doing a good job and dunno why they killed it in the 2014 line up.
  • 10
 I was pretty sad when I saw that too, I thought it was a good choice to keep one magic link bike alive going forward. I haven't ever ridden one, but it seems like if they made a carbon Abra with a beefier build kit it would be a killer enduro race bike.
  • 10
 Actually, in the early 2014 line up Kona publiced to distributors internally, Abra Cadabra was kept alive. However, few months later, it disappeared from the official line up on their website. It seems the whole new Process series will take over the position from Abra Cadabra. But why Kona let go of their own special linage system is still unknow. Hope PB can do an interview of Kona staff on that...
  • 20
 Poor sales probably.
  • 20
 love the simple lines of the frame design.
  • 10
 I would keep everything except the tires. Replace it with some High Rollers or Hans Dampf.
  • 20
 BOTTOM OUT WAS NEVER SOMETHING I'VE WORRIED ABOUT WITH A 5" TRAIL BIKE
  • 10
 Then you're not riding it hard enough
  • 10
 Proof that Easton is getting on board with the 650B movement.
  • 11
 I love the fox, colors, and pretty much everything about it....EXCEPT FOR THE PRICE!!!!
  • 10
 ill wait for a 150-160 version.
  • 10
 I think its great that someone finally introduced a true "Trail Bike" and not another gravity driven single crown fork AM bike and call it a "Trail Bike".
  • 10
 Go home 29er you're drunk
  • 33
 Looks identical to that Devinci 650B that was reviewed earlier on...
  • 21
 Yes and no, It does look similar but this appears to be an Horst link and the Divinci was a split pivot.
  • 20
 Bikes are going to start looking more similar as in order to get good standover you've got to have the sloping top tube with the seat tube brace. Focus less on aesthetics and more on mechanical design, and you see that this bike is quite different in its suspension design than Devinci.
  • 20
 I wonder how long it will be before you can read through the comments section of a new bike press release without seeing a 'looks like XYZ' comment...
  • 30
 MarinMatt makes a good point, A bunch of the 2014 models seem to follow fairly similar aesthetic lines. I miss the 90's when every bike looked wild, different and crazy! Shame most of them didn't work...
  • 10
 Yep, with radical toptube slopes and still having enough seattube to fit a proper length post you either have straight toptubes with a brace (as my Salsa Spearfish has for example), an externally butted/oversized seattube that tapers to a larger diameter at top (much as rocky mountain used to do 20 years ago on selected steel hardtail models), or a toptube that's bent with a curve that slopes upwards to meet the seattube near the top (like Mongoose and Haro like to do).
  • 811
 I feel like we have been very clear that we don't want 27.5 yet every bike that comes out lately has been a 650b...take the hint guys
  • 90
 Yes but I feel it has also been very clear that manufacturers DON'T care what 1% of the bike world wants... they're concerned about the other 99%.
  • 32
 Who's we...?
  • 31
 have you not seen all the polls regarding 650b? there has not been a single one where the majority said that they wanted 27.5...one poll even said that the majority felt like companies were forcing 27.5 on us despite most riders preferring 26
  • 30
 Yes I have but that's only a poll on THIS website. EVEN if the entire pinkbike membership was 100% against 650B, and refused to ever buy one, that's still way less than 1% of the world wide mountain bike market. And manufacturers don't concern themselves on what 1% of the market is demanding, when they have sales numbers from the other 99% showing that continuing to focus on 26er development, especially for the trail/AM categories is going to cost them more money in lost sales to the majority of the bike world than it will to lost sales from a minority who refuse to embrace change.
  • 11
 that doesn't explain why pinkbike is the largest mountain bike website in the world.
  • 10
 i do understand what you are saying though...pb mostly consists of dh riders that companies like this really don't care about...but pb is still the top website and most of the people willing to pay over 5k for a bike know and often use pb
  • 10
 The comments in the news section of the site do not reflect the same opinion in the forum. Looks at the "Post Pictures of Sexiest Enduro Bike", and you'll see that the vast majority of posters no longer care about wheel size. In fact, the majority of posters this about new 26" designs; "wish it was 650b!"
  • 30
 Pinkbike is the top website because its largely free including its classifieds (I bet though if they charged to post ads as mtbr does, daily membership numbers would drop off considerably just as they did when mtbr got rid of its free classifieds) and it works more like a magazine with daily reviews and race coverage provided by a staff of editors and writers, but manufacturers largely pay more attention to consumer review sites like mtbr where they can get direct feedback from people actually BUYING their bikes, not merely talking about the ones they don't own, or complaining about what other brands are doing as it is here. Also its bloody damned hard to get someone banned from pinkbike so the children largely can spout off whatever drivel they want, and manufacturers and advertisers know that. Its why they hired RC when his services became available. They needed to legitimize the place and its reviews more in the wider bike industry, in order to continue to prosper. People love to laugh at MBA, but if that magazine didn't continue to turn a profit, it wouldn't remain in print. Actually PB is already showing signs of moving to a paid classifieds as a few months ago they implemented a change that ONLY Plus members could post more than 10 ads at a time.

Also while many PB members may like to think that the website is made up of mostly DH riders, that just isn't the case either. Perhaps ten years ago when the site was young and the membership was small that was the case, but not any longer.
  • 20
 @gingymp5... Many people who use the INTERNET for shopping advice will use pb if they're shopping for a bike over 5k MAYBE, though mtbr comes up in review searches first so that's where MOST people really go for advice first. But a lot of people who shop for bikes at this price point do so in local stores and listening to the sales staff, not off what some random person said on a website.
  • 10
 @deeeight - very true.

Also not everyone uses the polls because they are stupid and a waste of time. I don't give a shit if every last person who I follow filled out the poll saying whether they are male or female (true story), I just want to see pics of their sexy new bikes...
  • 13
 Is it me or does this look like the new 650b devinchi troy? It has very similar geo...
  • 11
 huh?
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